I had noticed this aggressive bass sound in many styles when played thru the onboard KB speakers but not so much on stage thru my PA systems..Then I read this post on the PSR Tutorial S950 forum..

"I have had around seven different Yamaha keyboards over the past twenty years and loved them all except this one. A great keyboard for gigging, and for anyone who is happy to have their eardrums bashed with the Bass. I have managed to reduce the noise a bit it it is far too thumpy for my tastes. I had thought about selling and going back to the 710 which was my over all favourite, but I would lose quite a lot of money and I would want a new one but they are no longer available. Eileen F"

Anyone else experiencing this with their S950?

I do not notice extra bass through my outboard speakers. Anyway, you can create a global eq and adjust the bass however you want. Given this ability, choosing the S710 over the S950 is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

larry are you using many of the Audio styles on the S950?

Donny,
There is way to much bass on a lot of the styles - even with the EQ adjusted.
I generally end up changing drum kits. A few others have noticed this too.
I have two EQs saved. One for my Bose setup and one for the built-in speakers -- helps a lot.

Deane

Deane I hear you...as with ALL Kb's "HOMEWORK" has to be done for hours until you get it right for your needs....Yamaha is no exception.... I also have three EQ options I use, Mackie PA, HK Audio Nano systems, & On board speakers.....and change the setting as needed by venue choice. It takes a bit of time but must be done and well worth the effort when finished!
Good Luck!

I concur with what Deane says. Mind you mine is a PSR750 as you know. The bass is agressive both in the bass line and in the drum sets. So setting the overall EQ as well as the individual EQ on these two tracks goes a long way. I also find that the drumsets in the Latin Pack : Ballroom 1 and Ballroom 2 are much less bass-heavy.

regards,
John

Thats good to know John Thanx

And so the griping starts...!

Still waiting for that first post moaning the loss of a decent Songbook!

I think you mean honest opinion? maybe you should dig up some of my older G70 review posts when I had one too?

If the bass is too prominent on everything, go to Mixer, EQ, select low band, turn down. Problem solved.
DonM

I can remember your glowing reviews of almost everything you ever bought, and how much better they were to anyone else's arranger. Then I also remember, a month or two later, your slamming the very thing that you praised, while you then start to extoll the virtues of the very same keyboard you were dissing earlier.

But then again, consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, eh?

I went through a period when I was that way with women!
DonM

yea it takes a bit of giggin time on stage to really sink your teeth into a unit....opinions change so what?

... now, now, kids ... Valentine's Day is coming ... let's be nice ...

... and what was the solution for the women? This cracked me up ...

That's what the mute switch is for. Okay, I'll call the ambulance now.

Hell, I've been away from home for so long I'm beginning to think I'm single again - NAH! (sure hope she's not reading this. )

Gary

The five Yamaha keyboards I owned had the same aggressive bass problem. But that is what I hear when listening to contemporary music. Bass and drums out front.

I found when I lowered the bass on some styles there was very little left. I tried an external EQ and the one in the keyboard and it did make a change ---- but what was needed was a different bass quality; not to say that Yamaha’s basses are bad, they are excellent for some types of music.
W
hen you turn the clock back a bit to the 40’s, 50’s and some of the 60’s the basses were different in volume and type of sound. If I play Misty on a Yamaha the bass is all over the place; the EQ did a partial job. The bass on my Kn7000 leaves something to be desired for today’s music. I ended up adding a Sub.
You can’t have it all, but you can come pretty close.

IMHO, John C.

Donny, I had an in with the Sam Ash store, I was teaching Jerry Ash’s son guitar. I would spend hours in the store trying to get that one great guitar; and many times I just knew I had it. So I would take the guitar on the job -- within a few minutes it went back into the case. What I heard at home was not what I heard on the job, it is so very different.

Don, behave

If she is reading this, you're in deep shit!

Joe

Keep this topic on track and don't get caught up in petty quibbling.

I'm sorry, I thought the topic was "Too Much Boss", so I mentioned wives. My bad.
DonM

One down, one to go!

Don't Yamaha's have an EQ for each Style Part? Rather than gut the arranger by EQ'ing the whole thing, isn't the problem solved best by EQ'ing the problem only?

One of the issues with arrangers with speakers built in is, what do you voice the arranger for? Do you set up the styles and Part EQ's to make it sound its best on the built in speakers (which is probably what the majority of buyers will be playing it through - most of them aren't pros!) or do you voice it for a full range high power PA, or do you set it up for flat nearfield studio monitors?

Big difference between all three.

Might be nice if there were computer tools that allowed you to alter the EQ for each sound, then either store it, or apply that change to every Performance that uses that sound. Yamaha got this? If they do, there's the solution... And especially with a 'batch processor' approach, this makes it easy to set up Performance list duplicates, with the EQ's dialed in for each type of speaker system you are using.

I think the majority of people use the old V array on the e.q. settings, and simply boost the lows and highs, therby drowning the mids.
There are presets in the S850 specifically for internal speakers, line-out to p.a., etc. There is also one called "flat" that is a good starting point, and may be all that is needed.
I believe 99 percent of people boost almost every band of e.q. This makes it louder overall but introduces noise and can overdrive speakers. If you use e.q., CUT the offending frequencies. The overall sound will be the same as boosting, using the same curve.
DonM

LOL... 'Flat' is always a good starting point! Mind you, do they need a preset for that? Wouldn't turning off the EQ achieve that?!

I would think the best way to set up a keyboard would be with all the global out settings flat, and use a good set of headphones to set up the internal EQ settings etc. Then when you go out to a gig (Or use the on-board speakers) you set the global out settings to match the sound system and environment safe in the knowledge that all the internal settings are correct. (Internal and External settings are totally independent, or at least they should be)

Bill

People usually make mistakes by EQ-ing too much.Usually LESS is MORE.I have seen too many times EQ as V which is totallu wrong to do.Sometimes when you lack bass, maybe you have too much treble and opposite.

If you run your Global EQ flat, might as well switch it off! The less processing the output runs through, the better.

Evidently flat IS off on the PSR. There is no on/off switch. You can start with the flat setting and change it, so it isn't really "off".
DonM

Flat is essentially off - all EQ settings are at zero.

Personally, I've never had a problem with the bass on any Yamaha keyboard I've owned in two decades.

Gary

Gary after you get a S950 EQ'ing & part Vol will be your new best friend!!