I know there have been many discussions about Vocal Harmony, but if I may, I'd like to update the topic.

I'm looking for recommendations for an external VH for use with a PA600, or for a PSR-750. (Yes I'm thinking of it)

If you use an external VH, can you share your keyboard 'setup'?

Any opinions vs. the on board VH2 on the T4 and PSR950?

Thanks

Hi Larry,
Well I have a PA600 on order and after watching the 6 videos and some of the demo videos I am very glad I have it coming. I believe one of the TC Helicon VHs are among the best but I don't know which one. I won't be doing anymore singing because of my Cervical Spin Surgery. Seems in the process it messes with your vocal cords - go figure.

Deane

Sorry to hear that Deane, hopefully it will improve and you'll be again crooning the women soon. Best wishes with the PA600, and keep us updated.

Someone mentioned this VH, TC-Helicon VoiceWorks

How much money do you want to spend???

FWIW Larry, I use the Harmony M. Nice and easy, especially if like me, you only want to use say one, or at the MAX, two "harmony" voices. Although using midi data it can go to four voices.

It has the adaptive algorithms as well that pick up on your vocal and applies auto adjustment...can be used as a stomp box or with a footswitch if you want it on your keyboard...

Good thing about external boxes is it means you are not "tied" to the one keyboard....

PLUS - being pretty much discontinued you will get good deals on them! But they still sound excellent, even if discontinued.

Dennis

Thanks Dennis,
Sounds Good...I'll check it out
Larry

I use a Voicelive 2, love it

Thanks Frank, I'll check that out too

Simple and fun is what I need.
I actually like the VH in the PSR-3000, so I'm looking to 'replace' that if I go with the PA600. (or the PSR-750)

Larry

By the writeup on it I think all you have to do is sing in your head and it delivers.

Larry,

If you can wait till I return from this voyage, I'll send you one of my Digitech Vocalist VRs to try out. It's very easy to use, produces excellent results and is a rack-mount unit.

Let me know,

Gary

Maybe your best choice is Voicelive Play.If you don't want to make custom scales for harmonies than you don't need VL2.VL2 is the best harmony processor,but you will probably not use 80% of things inside.Plus, Voicelive Play has better presets than vl2 and it's much cheaper.

Thanks Gary. You're like having another (older ) brother. I'll let you know when you get back. You are some kinda good guy for sure.

MIKIMIKI, I checked out Voicelive Play, thanks for the suggestion, looks like a lot of 'bang for the buck'. Would this work in conjunction whith a keyboard, where chords could trigger the harmony?

Larry

I think it has no midi ins or outs.But there is aux in.Which keyboard you use??
There is always voicelive touch.You should also check some of Digitech units.
I just picked up older model Digitech Vocalist Workstation EX.
For me it's easiest to use.I need some custom scales and with this I can make them.

Like I said,VL2 is the best processor.I used to have it for two years.It sounds great.Harmonies are good, efx are great.I only wish it was made something like Vocalist worstation with all the keys.It's very easy too use..

Current arranger is a PSR-3000...Thinking of a PA600 or a PSR-750

Larry the Harmony M has midi in and has either a mono, or stereo out as well as the mic in and phantom power.

As for the keyboard - I think you may be happier with the PA600 - the sound (apart from SA) and operational features make it the standout of those two..

Dennis

I'd suggest the newer TC Helicon VoiceLive Play. Very easy to setup. You don't even need to connect it to the keyboard thru midi. You can set it up to "listen" to the music coming from your keyboard, amp, guitar, voice or any music source and it'll figure the key and provide the appropriate harmonies. It has tons of presets and other features too like looping. I'm using the VoiceLive Play GTX (with guitar effects) with my KMA or guitar and very happy with it.

Harmony M is great. Simple and easy to use. Even makes MY voice sound good!
DonM

Hi Larry

I consider myself something of an authority on Harmonizers (listen to Don and Donny's comments on my recordings) LOL

I'n the past I used the harmonizer on the Pa2x which worked well but sometimes was a bit robotic OK in a mix.

At the moment I own a Korg iH, a Digitech Workstation EX, a TC Helicon Quintet (The Workstation's little brother) and I,m awaiting the delivery of a TC helicon Workstation.

The Korg iH is based on the Digitech VH but has no effects great if you are using a mixer with FX.

The Digitech is good VH easy to use very natural harmony voices the on problem when using live the bypass button does not cut out the effects when addressing the audience.

The Quintet once again is a very good VH good mic preamp good harmony's and the bypass button cuts off the harmony and the effects great for live use.

The Digitech and the Quintet both have a good selection of effects.



The example below is the Quintet and the Pa600 first attempt.

https://www.box.com/s/ixogfioge747x5avy

These were recorded with the KMA and the digitech

https://www.box.com/s/2gzl37oyfz43kgqhqoks

https://www.box.com/s/stdpbtgkj9ui1p91dij2

As you can see from the Photo's I like to have the VH at the front of the keyboard for easy access.

Some useful reviews:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/mar97/digivocalist.html

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun03/articles/tcheliconvoiceworks.asp

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb12/articles/voice-live-play.htm

If you play at home the digitech is fine but for live use I prefer the Quintet

The woiceworks operates in a similar fashion to the Quintet but has more features ie dedicated lead voice doubling, pitch correction and extra effects also it has songbook ideal for live use.

I bought all my harmonizers on eBay so if I don't like them I can dispose without losing to much money. If the Voiceworks performs the way i expect I will be having a sale.

Hope this helps

Regards

Col

Hi Larry

The file for the Pa600 got lost, this is the correct link

https://www.box.com/s/ixogfioge747x5avy1lz

Col

Hi Col,

Thanks for your detailed recommendations, it's very helpful, and I'm sure we all appreciate it. Impressive demos and nice pics indeed.

I'm leaning toward the PA600/Harmony M, but may change my mind and go with the more familiar PSR-950.

Col ... I am using the same Digitech Vocalist EX ... it is a great machine... it will provide nice harmony - not too 'involved' mind you - just by pressing the key you are singing in without it being plugged into the kb via midi connections ...

Hi Larry and Tony

If the bypass on the Digitech had worked as I wanted it I would have been happy with it.

I forgot to mention before I bought the old Korg iH I had the Harmony M, unfortunately I found that it did not to track the midi input very well and having experienced that I was a little dubious about another TC helicon VH but I found the Quintet works just fine.

Another point when we doing a Gig I don't use a mixer I take the output from the VH straight into the line in on the keyboard and to my suprise and I still don't really understand why, we get a lot less feedback.

Col

Don Patterson has a Harmony M for sale. See the Buy and Sell Forum.
DonM

Col, this was not an issue after the 1.8 firmware update.

Dennis

Hi Dennis

The harmony M as far as I remember only had 1.5 but I did remember updating it. A while ago. The memory is fading fast.

Col

Harmonies are much better if you use scale mode.