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#346283 - 07/01/12 04:58 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
ianmcnll Offline
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Not that it matters all that much in the big scheme of things, Donny, but wasn't a very similar topic started by you not all that long ago?

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread...ppro#Post343569

Also, there is a link to a similar topic in that thread above.

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread..._pro#Post331314


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#346289 - 07/01/12 06:33 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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So what Ian? I said above things are always changing this post wasnt just for nh gigs as that is only 40% oh my work.........I perform at many other venues also ....... Don makes good sense...around here free means bad music from wannabes sorry to say and once they play they usually never do again anyway in high end NHs.....doing wedding showcases...sending out flyers....making personal meetings with club owners, phone calls, auditions,referal follow ups, calling engagement and anniversary announcement couples from your local paper, restaurant owners, event planners, printi.g calendars to send out, casino managers ,eave cards at party stores, put ads in the papers, or on diner menu placematts..........constantly hustling for gigs......and most of all you gotta have a great product to show people........now can anyone add to this?


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#346290 - 07/01/12 07:06 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
So what Ian? I said above things are always changing this post wasnt just for nh gigs as that is only 40% oh my work.........I perform at many other venues also .......


No big deal, Donny...don't get overexcited...calm down...was it that difficult for you to tell my post was not meant to aggravate but merely to inquire?

I sure hope someone can give you some useful advice on how to get more gigs, of any kind. DonM and Gary are experts, and no doubt they can help you.

I'm happy to play for free for those in the local nursing homes, and it is so nice, to not only be appreciated, but also it gives me a wonderful feeling to see the smiles of recognition on their faces when a particular song brings back nice memories.

I wish I had more time lately, to devote to personal gigging, but I'm very busy with getting my old house ready for sale, so it's Yamaha work only for now.

Ian

PS...great entertainers and/or players generally don't need to "hustle"...they are usually in demand. wink
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#346293 - 07/01/12 08:43 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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Just got home from a 5-1/2-hour, outdoor, poolside job. The air temperature was 99 degrees, humidity was about the same figure, and I'm headed for a nice, hot shower before hitting the sack.

Several years ago I traveled to New Jersey to meet up with Uncle Dave, Donny Pesce and Fran Carango. I learned a lot from them all. I learned a lot about keeping the dancefloor packed, learned a lot about transitioning rapidly from one song to the next, learned a lot about reading an audience, and really got some great tips on equipment setups.

As for the marketing aspects, I was already familiar with how to sell myself and how to market the product, which in this case is entertainment. It took about 6 months to become established, and I treated the entertainment business like any other business. It was full-time, 16-hours a day, 7-days a week work. Holidays are just another day of the year, but they do command premium prices. NYE, however, is an exception. It commands 4-times the regular rate and I've never had a problem getting jobs for NYE.

In 2009 I posted an article on working the nursing home circuit. For anyone interested, here's a copy of he article:

The best technique I've found for booking jobs at nursing homes, assisted living centers, retirement communities, senior centers, and similar venues has been direct mail. However, you need to do more than just send a flier to a perspective client and hope for the best--it doesn't work that way. Here's what worked for me.

Create Advertising Package

First, I sat down at the computer and using Print Shop, put together a very attractive series of advertising packages. They ranged from simple cards, to fliers, to full blown packages that cost about $4 to compile. The full-blown package used a dark-blue presentation folder (available at Staples) with a photo inserted in the cover. Inside, there was a letter of introduction with exerts from various satisfied clients, 4-page song list, a 6 to 8-song CD and a business card inserted in the card slot. This cost nearly $2 to mail, which puts the package cost at approximately $6.

Make Simple Card or Flier

A simple card, or one-page flier, again compiled and printed using Print Shop, is a lot less expensive, can be mailed in a 6 X 9 Calendar envelope and requires only a single first class postage stamp. They too are quite effective.

Contact the Right Person

The secret to success, though, is to get the information to the right person, otherwise it will end up in the trash-can along with the tons of junk mail they receive every day. This was done by calling each facility on my mailing list and obtaining the name of the activities director (AD). This was easy. I merely called the facility and said

"Hi, this is Gary Diamond from Travlin' Easy Productions. We're updating our computer files on the various centers in the Baltimore metropolitan area and just need to verify the information we have on file."

At this point I would provide them with the mailing address I have in my computer, then ask about the number of beds or residents, and the name, and the correct spelling of the name of the Activities Director. Now, you have the information to get your advertising package to the right person. I usually updated the list every 6 to 12 months, just to keep it current.

Follow-up Your Mailing

The next part of the process is the follow-up to the mailing. After allowing about 5 to 7 days for the package to arrive, pick up the telephone and call the person you mailed the package to. Once you have him or her on the telephone, ask them if they received your package. If the answer was yes, tell them you are putting together your schedule for next month or next year, whatever the case may be, and you would like to meet with them to set up an entertainment schedule for their facility. Some, ironically, will actually offer to do it over the phone, while others will set up a meeting at the facility.

Become a 'Salesperson'

I prefer meeting the AD in person, which then allows me to take a close look at the facility as well. (For a variety of reasons, there are some locations where I just will not perform.) At this point, you must become a salesperson. And, as any successful salesperson will tell you, you must dress for the occasion. In most instances you should wear the same apparel you would normally wear if you were going for a job interview.

Put Together A 'Formal' Schedule

Sit down with the AD, and with your scheduling calendar, put together a schedule that fits both your and their needs. Once the jobs have been scheduled, go back to your home office, sit down at the computer and compile a "Confirmation of Appearance" letter that lists all dates, locations and times of the upcoming performances. Again, Print Shop makes this an easy job that looks very professional and businesslike. Send two copies of the confirmation to the AD, along with a SASE, have them sign one of the letters and mail that copy back to you. In some instances, I actually use one of my contracts and list all the performance dates on one contract. It's a bit more formal, and it provides the client(s) with clear descriptions of the various exclusions within the contract.

Stay in Touch With Customers

Once the client has been booked, they are placed on another mailing list I have compiled. This is one that I use for sending wall calendars, pens, Christmas cards, and other forms of advertisement that keeps my name high on their list. They're purchased from National Pen Company and over the years have proven very effective. Because my name is on their wall calendar, and the pen they use daily, I'm one of the first entertainers they call when it comes time for special events, parties that command a much higher fee. The calendars only cost me a little over $1 and about .25 cents for the fancy envelope. Most of the time I deliver the calendars in person, usually in late August or early September, and at the same time, book the upcoming year's entire schedule. The pens cost about .39 to .49 cents apiece and can be mailed out with the cards and packages. If you want a great calendar that can be mailed at a reasonable price, pocket planners sell for about .60 cents and can be mailed in a standard #10 envelope.

For those of you who may be wondering where all these senior places are located in your area of the United States, do a Google search and you'll be amazed at how many centers are located within an hour or less drive time from your home.

While everyone believes competition is high in their particular area, keep in mind that most of the individuals providing entertainment are not full time entertainers. Some can only work nights and weekends, which means there are huge numbers of locations where you can work weekdays. Provide them with a great show, act professional, schmooze with the residents, and your calendar will be so full you will have to book your own vacation two years in advance.

One more thing. Rates vary throughout the United States and the rest of the world. Until two years ago, I charged $100 per hour for my performances with a $400 minimum for private parties. After doing my income tax return in 2010 I came to the stark reality that I was slowly going in reverse. Everything had increased in my expenses, but the hourly rate had remained the same for more than a decade. I decided to raise the fee to $125 per hour, a move that many people on this forum felt was excessive. Well, in the end I lost two regular customers, and gained five new ones. That's not a bad way to do business. And, the two regulars I lost said when they can get it approved, they'll be hiring me back and hope I can fit them into my schedule.

As many of you know, I'm going to take a 7-month sabbatical beginning in October. I'm sailing south to the Florida Keys, Dry Tortugas, and maybe the Bahama Islands. I'm taking my music gear with me and hope to be performing in the sunny south for at least 5 of the 7 months. I have already ordered my 2013 calendars and they are due to arrive August 1st this year. When they do, I will be spending several days visiting with my current ADs and filling out dates beginning April 1 2013. All of them said "no problem" and wished me well on my voyage of a lifetime.

Now, if for some reason I happen to get my aging a$$ killed on this 7-monthy voyage, someone in my neck of the woods is gonna' end up with a lot more work than they want. I gave the ADs some names - just in case: Joe Ayala, Gary Alesandro, Ken King, and a few others. They'll probably be pissed because they'll have to work their a$$ off, but if I'm dead I won't know how pissed they are. wink

Hope this helps,

Gary cool
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#346294 - 07/01/12 08:48 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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Excellent information, Gary...you are a true professional.

Something there for everybody.


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#346295 - 07/01/12 09:47 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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Thats why I don't gig, too much prep required... like planning a sail around the world...USA didn't do that much planning when they put a man on the moon Gary rotf2

Talking of a man on the Moon Beaky is going flying shortly!!! party lets all party, like Ian says Beaky is made of the right stuff and the right calibre, fired from his job down the HHS home...lost in the long grass.

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#346298 - 07/01/12 10:34 PM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
So what Ian? I said above things are always changing this post wasnt just for nh gigs as that is only 40% oh my work.........I perform at many other venues also ....... Don makes good sense...around here free means bad music from wannabes sorry to say and once they play they usually never do again anyway in high end NHs.....doing wedding showcases...sending out flyers....making personal meetings with club owners, phone calls, auditions,referal follow ups, calling engagement and anniversary announcement couples from your local paper, restaurant owners, event planners, printi.g calendars to send out, casino managers ,eave cards at party stores, put ads in the papers, or on diner menu placematts..........constantly hustling for gigs......and most of all you gotta have a great product to show people........now can anyone add to this?



Donny ends with "now can anyone add to this?"

No Donny,

I don't know why you ask, you have covered ever angle possible and more, I can't think of one thing you have not thought of. Donny, if it's not working for you and your are not getting the gigs, its not for want of trying your hand at advertsing....

Tony

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#346300 - 07/02/12 04:11 AM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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For the past several years I have taken my Zoom Q3 to my gigs. As a result, I have amassed a sizeable library of videos taken from many past performances. I edit the segments I want to keep on my main pc.

When I am after a particular venue, I put the appropriate vids on my YouTube channel, and give the URL to the AD.

She can instantly see if my performances fit with the clientel. I have never been turned down except for the fee($100 per hour).

In my area, there is a wide diversity ranging from Medicaid nh to high level assisted living compexes. I volunteer for places like the veterans home and medicaid places, but not the rest.

Gary is right about having to provide entertainment and enriching the owners, but some get by with bingo and cards, thereby cheating the clients.

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#346303 - 07/02/12 06:06 AM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Dnj]
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All that Gary has said is correct....but you must have a great sounding product as well some are under the assumption that because people are sick and elderly that they won't notice bad music or singing...NOT!
Having a top notch website to provide potential clients is also mandatory in this day and age......showing what you offer, pics, viideos, demo songs, etc. The big money is not in NHS but in private gigs ithat pay 4 to 5 times what a nursing home does if your good enough to play them.......versatilily in this game goes a long way..........singing, playing,Djing, is all part of todays entertainment package to help you aquire any type gig don't be a one trick pony!


Edited by Dnj (07/02/12 06:08 AM)

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#346304 - 07/02/12 06:33 AM Re: what is your BEST Strategies to get gigs NHs or ? [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By: Bernie9
For the past several years I have taken my Zoom Q3 to my gigs. As a result, I have amassed a sizeable library of videos taken from many past performances. I edit the segments I want to keep on my main pc.

When I am after a particular venue, I put the appropriate vids on my YouTube channel, and give the URL to the AD.

She can instantly see if my performances fit with the clientel. I have never been turned down except for the fee($100 per hour).



That is an excellent idea, Bernie...a picture is worth a thousand words.

I think it's also important to be versatile and have a varied repertoire of music, not just Big Band, old Rock&Roll, and Country, but some hip Dance rhythms as well...it is also easy to adapt some of the older tunes to the newer Dance music styles, so you get a nice combination of the familiar and the new.

But yes, having a video is a splendid plan.

Between you and Gary, you have this well covered, indeed.

Ian
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