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#333569 - 11/20/11 02:55 AM How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better
abacus Offline
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than a TOTL Arranger by using a computer and an entry level VST







If you really want to go for it then spend a bit more money and go for the upper level VST







Enjoy

Bill


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#333583 - 11/20/11 09:03 AM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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I can't say I heard any arrangements playing nor did I read any instructions on HOW to do this as alluded to in the thread title.

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#333584 - 11/20/11 09:23 AM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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I agree Tom. Don't look like something I would be able to use on the jobs, but I guess for someone that likes to mess around in the studio with a computer linked to his or her keyboard it would be a neat tool.

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#333590 - 11/20/11 10:47 AM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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How to set it up has been covered many times in other threads over the years, and if you want to use it live you can use a laptop. (The more powerful the better)

Best way to think of it, is to view the computer and VST as an external module/expander.

How it works:

The Midi from the keyboard sends the note and other information to the computer which then plays the VST; the audio from the computer can then either go into the audio input of the keyboard or an external mixer. (As with all audio the better the sound card the better the sound)

The start-up manual of the VST tells you how to set it up on your computer to work with your controller (Keyboard) and audio. (ASIO drivers are recommended)

The exceptions are Wersi OAS 7 instruments which can load the VST on-board, so that no external equipment is required. (NOTE: this does not apply to the Pegasus Wing which uses a totally different version of OAS)

Remember most entry level VST cost about the same as one sound pack for a keyboard. (And if you are reading this you have probably already got a computer.)

Hope this clarifies it for you.

Bill
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#333596 - 11/20/11 02:02 PM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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so how do you set it up so that every element of each style substitutes the factory sound with one of the sounds on the VST ? When i change styles will it automatically remap every sound within the style to an appropriate VST or will i have to do that each and every time i change style or variation ? Will it use a similar vel;ocity curve as the factory based one so sounds dont jump out because the voulmes are wrong or woul i have to adjust all of that too ? What about one touch setting ? can they all be recorded and saved so that i can just press one button and all the remapped sounds are recalled instantly.What about my song book ? All the songs with all the settings that i have stored over the years would i have to remapp all of theose too and would they be saved ?

It might be worth the work but those demos dont convince me it would

In other words can i still use the mid range arranger as an arranger in a live play situation utilising the better sounds of the VST for each and every style ?

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#333597 - 11/20/11 03:02 PM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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Styles

When you reprogram any style with new sounds on your PA1x you have to save it as a new user style, otherwise you would need to change the sounds every time you selected it. The only difference with the VST is that the mapping for the VST would be saved in the style instead of an internal sound.

The same applies to one touch settings etc.

Dynamics, volume, etc

You would set the global parameters of the VST to match your keyboard settings, and then save it as the default setting in the VST.

You would save the sounds of the VST in banks for instant recall, just as you do with your PA1x.

Yes there will be work, in exactly the same way as you have to work when creating something new on your PA1x.

Remember if you upgraded to a PA3x you would also have to change all your current settings to make use of the new features and sounds or it would still sound like PA1x

Hope this clarifies things.

Bill
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#333599 - 11/20/11 04:24 PM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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ok Bill, talk me through how this would work as i might just go and buy something this weekend just as an experiment .

I have my PA1X a lap top and some midi cables. I know how to save internal sounds on my keyboard and one touch settings and of course entries in my song book all because they are internally referenced within the keyboard itself.

Talk me through the steps of how my keyboard would save all the addresses of all the sounds i have used in each and every style lets say just 30 styles all user based with sounds emanating from a VSt. How does my keyboard recognise the sounds are comimng from an external sound source (laptop ) from a VST source and reconxile that with my song book each time i switch it on ?

If you can explain it in a way that is simple english Bill i will buy into the idea and see how it would work for me.

I know that Dom tried to do this with the Mediastaion and it was a massive technological headache and when he provided an example it didnt rock anybody's world but i am willing to have a go.

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#333603 - 11/21/11 12:12 AM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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Hi Spalding

Have a read of this article here http://www.wersiclub.co.uk/Midi%20with%20Wersi.pdf (It’s designed for Wersi Instruments but will give you an idea as the Korg has something similar) and also pop over to http://www.kvraudio.com/ which has a number of free VST that you can try, as well as explaining the basics of VST use.

I will put together a more dedicated instruction set when I get back from work tonight. (Remember start simple and work up)

Regards

Bill
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#333617 - 11/21/11 03:08 PM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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Hi Spalding

Computer: (I’m assuming its Windows)

You will need an ASIO driver, (If it is a quality sound card in your computer it will already come with ASIO drivers) if you don’t have one then download ASIO4all here http://www.asio4all.com/

You will need an audio cable to connect the audio output of your computer to the audio input of your keyboard.

A USB cable to connect the keyboard to the computer (If your keyboard doesn’t allow USB Midi connections (It’s been common to use USB for Midi for a number of years) you will need to use a Midi cable and interface to transfer the Midi data from the keyboard to the computer)

Kontakt Player VST (The best free one to go for)

If you have Windows 7 you can download the Kontakt 5 Player and Factory Selection here http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-5-player/ if you have an older OS( XP/Vista) you can download Kontakt 4 from here http://download.cnet.com/windows/ (Type Kontakt 4 into the search box) and then download the Factory Selection from here http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-player/?page=781

NOTE: You will need to register an email address to get the Kontakt 5 & Factory Selection download links and also to activate them.

They are quite large files to download and install so allow time to do it.

NOTE: Accept all the default settings when loading the software in.

Install and connect up the above, and you are ready to start and set up the default settings on the computer.

Let me know when you have all software installed and I will post how to set up the audio and Midi.

NOTE: You will need your Korg Manual

Bill
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#333633 - 11/22/11 05:36 AM Re: How to make a Mid line Arranger sound better [Re: abacus]
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thanks so much for your help with this Bill. I will download all the software latter tonight when i get home. Cheers

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