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#332251 - 10/04/11 04:49 PM question about PA3x
Nick G Offline
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Can you audition or play styles directly while on the USB stick instead of having to import them first to the user user banks?

It makes life alot easier and quicker if you can plug in a USB stick loaded with styles and then just play them before having to actually load them into the onboard style user banks. - this can be done on Yamaha PSR and Tyros, it cant be done on the PA 500 or 800, so wondering/hoping this has been fixed on the PA 3?

Thanks
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#332253 - 10/04/11 05:41 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: Nick G]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia

Hi Nick,
no, they have to be loaded. There's a huge number of Favourite & User slots to load styles into, plus you can overwrite Factory styles, ( though it's not something I'd do personally).
I've got my favourite styles saved under Favourites, the User slots I keep free for styles I want to audition & edit, then I save them into favourites.

I've got all my spare styles saved into banks of catergories ie bank of swing , a bank of waltzes etc etc . If I can't find an onboard style , I just load in one of the banks into User, go thru them, if I need to edit , Ido, then I save it to Favourite.

Doesn't take all that long to load a bank.

I'm guessing ,but maybe they can't be played from USB stick because of the sampler. Quite a number of people load & use samples as part of their styles, me included. I mainly use mine for Drum Sets.
Currently I'm converting some of my old Ketron SD1 styles across to my Korg. They really don't work without "Live Drums". Fortunately I've been able to buy some sd2 soundfonts including Live Drum sets. Now I just need to convert them to wav, load them into my Korg & I'm set, instant Live Drums. Not as good as the original, but certainly not. bad.


Originally Posted By: Nick G
Can you audition or play styles directly while on the USB stick instead of having to import them first to the user user banks?

It makes life alot easier and quicker if you can plug in a USB stick loaded with styles and then just play them before having to actually load them into the onboard style user banks. - this can be done on Yamaha PSR and Tyros, it cant be done on the PA 500 or 800, so wondering/hoping this has been fixed on the PA 3?

Thanks
Nick
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#332255 - 10/04/11 08:19 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: Nick G]
lahawk Offline
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Wow...never knew that about Korg. That can be a hassle.

How about other types of files like sounds, voices, midis, registrations, etc.? Can any of these load and play directly from a USB, or must they too be loaded into the keyboard first?
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#332258 - 10/04/11 10:15 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: lahawk]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Larry,
most things get loaded. No big deal, whatever you load & save get retained in memory when keyboard gets switched off. Everythings there just as I left it,when I switch keyboard back on..
Samples, edited voices , registrations, songbook get retained in memory. Midifiles can be played direct from usb stick or internal harddrive.
You can choose to play individual songs or select the ones you want and play them as a jukebox selection.

There's 480 Favourites Slots, 120 User Slots, the user Styles saved to these slots get retained in memory.. I can save these 600 styles to a USB Stick or internal harddrive as a complete style set, I can then load them back in, as a complete set, or individual banks or individual styles.

I'm not even close to filling up my Favourites slots. I've got 100's of styles I've collected, but I don't see much point in loading them into the keyboard unless I've got a use for them.
They're saved in banks of genre. As I may have mentioned previously, if I haven't got an onboard style to suit, I load in the banks of user styles to the User Slots for auditioning.
My keyboard gets setup exactly how I want.

It was a bit of a pain at first, because I had been used to the Yammie play from USB stick system, but once I worked out the Korg file system, I actually now prefer it.
Originally Posted By: lahawk
Wow...never knew that about Korg. That can be a hassle.

How about other types of files like sounds, voices, midis, registrations, etc.? Can any of these load and play directly from a USB, or must they too be loaded into the keyboard first?
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#332259 - 10/04/11 10:42 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: rikkisbears]
Nick G Offline
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Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 1122
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
So the PA 500 lets you overwrite the factory style banks as well...

Something I would never have liked to dive into by I might have to do this now because I only have 2 user style banks to play with and they are all full with good styles that I definitely don't want to throw away - hence the reason why I don't like to having to load a new style every time I want to just test it out and see if its worth keeping.

The 'favourites' folder sounds good - definitely something I'de like to have! I'm waiting so anxiously for the PA 3X to hit Australia once again, taking soooo long!!

Most shops in Sydney have a back order of 5-10 PA3X's already allocated to people.

Nick
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#332261 - 10/04/11 11:52 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: Nick G]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia

Hi Nick,
I'm not really familiar with the PA500, I assume it would let you overwrite also, but as you said, it's something I wouldn't be comfortable with either, I've never done it with my PA800, no need, as it had User Slots as well as Favourites slots.

I can't believe there's no stock available yet. I've had mine for a couple of months now. It appears right time , right place for me. Turramurra warned me they probably wouldn't have stocks till October, I was just lucky that Newcastle had one, & they were willing to sell it.


It's got a number of new styles including some new Dance stuff. Having 4 fills is great too. Hope you get to see one soon. Luv mine.
Originally Posted By: Nick G
So the PA 500 lets you overwrite the factory style banks as well...

Something I would never have liked to dive into by I might have to do this now because I only have 2 user style banks to play with and they are all full with good styles that I definitely don't want to throw away - hence the reason why I don't like to having to load a new style every time I want to just test it out and see if its worth keeping.

The 'favourites' folder sounds good - definitely something I'de like to have! I'm waiting so anxiously for the PA 3X to hit Australia once again, taking soooo long!!

Most shops in Sydney have a back order of 5-10 PA3X's already allocated to people.

Nick
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#332263 - 10/05/11 12:58 AM Re: question about PA3x [Re: rikkisbears]
mdorantes Offline
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Registered: 11/25/00
Posts: 1211
Loc: Queretaro, Mexico

Hello everyone, regarding the PA 500 and PA 800 been able to overwrite the factory styles in case you run out of room (Most likely on the PA 500, since the PA800 also has the Favorite section same as the PA2X that is HUGE). shocked
Yes, is possible, I have done it in BOTH, the 500 and 800, actually, also in the 2X too. cool
Is very powerful to be able to also RE-VOICE the Factory Preset styles too, also change the STS=OTS in Yamaha lingo....

I perform most of the time on the T4, but, I do not let go my PA500, if I need a style, I make it on the PA 500, then I convert it for the Yamaha and is done.

In many cases is actually faster to make Backups depending on the case of the performer, and load-Restore them and by the way, I recommend NOT to use the Compress function, this makes it to load or save much slower. As an example, I most of the time play at Senior Dances, and a fewer times I play at some private parties, this for Mexican people.

The advantage of the Backup vs the SET, is that the Backup not only contains all the set data, but, like in my case, I have replaced many Factory styles that I never use, like Rap, House, etc....besides my Performances/Registrations, user Voices, on the Factory presets I have change the STS, etc......so, this is much powerful way to use the most potential on the keyboard, and I simply re-load/Restore my backup for the Ballroom or for the Mexican parties....and is done in few minutes.

I did show how to use this feature to a Croatian guy that plays on weddings and use lots of User voices, samples, plus most user styles and performances, to simply use this feature and is very handy, he customized to have 2 or 3 different Backups per set, when he finish a music set, just begins the Restore backup for the second set, and after he takes a small break while is loading, his PA800 is ready to keep the party going.
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#332283 - 10/05/11 09:59 AM Re: question about PA3x [Re: mdorantes]
Machetero Offline
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Registered: 08/21/09
Posts: 359
Loc: Tampa, Florida, USA
Originally Posted By: mdorantes

Hello everyone, regarding the PA 500 and PA 800 been able to overwrite the factory styles in case you run out of room (Most likely on the PA 500, since the PA800 also has the Favorite section same as the PA2X that is HUGE). shocked
Yes, is possible, I have done it in BOTH, the 500 and 800, actually, also in the 2X too. cool
Is very powerful to be able to also RE-VOICE the Factory Preset styles too, also change the STS=OTS in Yamaha lingo....

I perform most of the time on the T4, but, I do not let go my PA500, if I need a style, I make it on the PA 500, then I convert it for the Yamaha and is done.

In many cases is actually faster to make Backups depending on the case of the performer, and load-Restore them and by the way, I recommend NOT to use the Compress function, this makes it to load or save much slower. As an example, I most of the time play at Senior Dances, and a fewer times I play at some private parties, this for Mexican people.

The advantage of the Backup vs the SET, is that the Backup not only contains all the set data, but, like in my case, I have replaced many Factory styles that I never use, like Rap, House, etc....besides my Performances/Registrations, user Voices, on the Factory presets I have change the STS, etc......so, this is much powerful way to use the most potential on the keyboard, and I simply re-load/Restore my backup for the Ballroom or for the Mexican parties....and is done in few minutes.

I did show how to use this feature to a Croatian guy that plays on weddings and use lots of User voices, samples, plus most user styles and performances, to simply use this feature and is very handy, he customized to have 2 or 3 different Backups per set, when he finish a music set, just begins the Restore backup for the second set, and after he takes a small break while is loading, his PA800 is ready to keep the party going.



Great teaching !!!
And yes in the PA500/PA588, you can over-write the factory styles banks.
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#332292 - 10/05/11 02:17 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: rikkisbears]
lahawk Offline
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Registered: 06/28/01
Posts: 2798
Loc: Lehigh Valley, Pa.
Originally Posted By: rikkisbears
Hi Larry,
most things get loaded. No big deal, whatever you load & save get retained in memory when keyboard gets switched off. Everythings there just as I left it,when I switch keyboard back on..
Samples, edited voices , registrations, songbook get retained in memory. Midifiles can be played direct from usb stick or internal harddrive.
You can choose to play individual songs or select the ones you want and play them as a jukebox selection.

There's 480 Favourites Slots, 120 User Slots, the user Styles saved to these slots get retained in memory.. I can save these 600 styles to a USB Stick or internal harddrive as a complete style set, I can then load them back in, as a complete set, or individual banks or individual styles.

I'm not even close to filling up my Favourites slots. I've got 100's of styles I've collected, but I don't see much point in loading them into the keyboard unless I've got a use for them.
They're saved in banks of genre. As I may have mentioned previously, if I haven't got an onboard style to suit, I load in the banks of user styles to the User Slots for auditioning.
My keyboard gets setup exactly how I want.

It was a bit of a pain at first, because I had been used to the Yammie play from USB stick system, but once I worked out the Korg file system, I actually now prefer it.
Originally Posted By: lahawk
Wow...never knew that about Korg. That can be a hassle.

How about other types of files like sounds, voices, midis, registrations, etc.? Can any of these load and play directly from a USB, or must they too be loaded into the keyboard first?


Thanks Rikki, That's not so bad, just different than Yamaha, and if I remember more like Technics. Writing over factory styles that you would never use is actually a plus. I would assume there is a way you could get the factory styles back? Perhaps save them first to a USB before replacing, as a backup?


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#332293 - 10/05/11 02:38 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: lahawk]
mdorantes Offline
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Registered: 11/25/00
Posts: 1211
Loc: Queretaro, Mexico
Larry:

Yes, you can restore to the original Factory data, styles, etc...simply download from the Korg Web site the Musical resources for the model you want to restore and is done.

As a suggestion, I always make sure I download in my Mac/PC the current OS, Musical resources, etc. for the models I use.
Also a good TIP, if you are a traveling musician (long distances or even overseas), like I told my Croatian friend, email to yourself your Backups, sets, etc. that way, if you loose your USB drives, SD cards,etc, you always can download them wherever you are, this actually prove to be a performance saver many times.

IMPORTANT NOTE, make sure you ALWAYS restore from the Model you have, meaning PA500 to PA500, NO PA500Musikant to PA500 even is the same platform, they have different internal maps, sounds, drum Keys, etc. Make sure it is like PA800 to PA800, PA2x to PA2X..... If you do not follow the proper protocol, you may Freeze (Memory) on your keyboard.
I hope this helps.
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#332297 - 10/05/11 05:48 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: Nick G]
lahawk Offline
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Registered: 06/28/01
Posts: 2798
Loc: Lehigh Valley, Pa.
Thanks mdorantes...backup, backup, backup smile
Good Tips
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#332302 - 10/05/11 10:06 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: mdorantes]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Manuel,
maybe I've misunderstood something over the years as far as backups go, you sort of get set in your ways, and it might not be the best way of doing things. haahaa
I've always done a "Save All" which I believe doesn't save Factory Styles, therefore wouldn't save tweaked styles in those Factory Slots if I'd overwritten them?

OK, I bought my PA800 with the original Operating System. A few months later , they brought out Operation System 1.51. plus a Full Resources Upgrade. 1.51 introduced Guitar Mode . Quite a number of Factory Styles were upgraded to include Guitar Mode in the Resources part of the upgrade.
I'm guessing that the Resources Upgrade would have overwritten any tweaks or styles I'd saved in the Factory Slots? and if I then tried to load one of my old Back ups on top of 1.51 Resources upgrade, wouldn't that then overwrite the new Guitar Mode styles??
That's the main reason I've never overwitten a Factory Style. We had 2 Major upgrades ( plus a couple of minor ones in the 3 year period). One introduced Guitar Mode Styles( with upgraded styles) the second one introduced DNC voices plus 20 or so new styles)

Have I got this totally wrong as to what a back up actually does?

I've got a number of styles I'd happily overwrite, but would the work get wasted if Korg brought out another major upgrade.

Some of the stuff they upgraded for the PA800 over that 3 year period was brilliant, and all for free. They weren't just bug fixes, they were brand new functions.

Originally Posted By: mdorantes

Hello everyone, regarding the PA 500 and PA 800 been able to overwrite the factory styles in case you run out of room (Most likely on the PA 500, since the PA800 also has the Favorite section same as the PA2X that is HUGE). shocked
Yes, is possible, I have done it in BOTH, the 500 and 800, actually, also in the 2X too. cool
Is very powerful to be able to also RE-VOICE the Factory Preset styles too, also change the STS=OTS in Yamaha lingo....

I perform most of the time on the T4, but, I do not let go my PA500, if I need a style, I make it on the PA 500, then I convert it for the Yamaha and is done.

In many cases is actually faster to make Backups depending on the case of the performer, and load-Restore them and by the way, I recommend NOT to use the Compress function, this makes it to load or save much slower. As an example, I most of the time play at Senior Dances, and a fewer times I play at some private parties, this for Mexican people.

The advantage of the Backup vs the SET, is that the Backup not only contains all the set data, but, like in my case, I have replaced many Factory styles that I never use, like Rap, House, etc....besides my Performances/Registrations, user Voices, on the Factory presets I have change the STS, etc......so, this is much powerful way to use the most potential on the keyboard, and I simply re-load/Restore my backup for the Ballroom or for the Mexican parties....and is done in few minutes.

I did show how to use this feature to a Croatian guy that plays on weddings and use lots of User voices, samples, plus most user styles and performances, to simply use this feature and is very handy, he customized to have 2 or 3 different Backups per set, when he finish a music set, just begins the Restore backup for the second set, and after he takes a small break while is loading, his PA800 is ready to keep the party going.

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#332332 - 10/07/11 11:09 AM Re: question about PA3x [Re: rikkisbears]
mdorantes Offline
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Registered: 11/25/00
Posts: 1211
Loc: Queretaro, Mexico
Hi Rikkis:

BACKUP=SET PLUS the user styles you may have replaced in the Factory locations Plus IF you have also change the STS/OTS on the Factory styles too, the backup does that, the set does not.

that is what the Backup saves besides all the things the SET does, and that is the difference between the SET vs Backup.

Assuming that you already have the latest OS and Musical resources, you could use the BACKUP as the MEGA-REGISTRATIONS bank.
This particular procedure, to me, seems much faster if you use lots of samples in User Voices, Drum Kits, very much like my friend from Croatia.
He particularly use the Backups as MEGA registration banks, that contain truly all his data for the kind of music he makes with all those samples in User voices, etc.
I use that too, because, I do not know if you ever got those messages when loading a SET, that the memory is full, well, that issue is gone if you load/restore your backup, the only thing you may have to do, is to turn the keyboard off and then on after the Backup have been restored.
cool
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#332346 - 10/07/11 03:57 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: mdorantes]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
Thanks Manuel,
I didn't use samples much in the PA800, but I am starting to use them more & more with the PA3x.
So I'll definately look into using backups.
thank you
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#332374 - 10/08/11 07:44 AM Re: question about PA3x [Re: Nick G]
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4731
Rikki. Question please: Do the fills/buttons keep blinking and repeating when pressed twice like the 800? I sure hope so because this is such a useful feature.
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#332380 - 10/08/11 02:25 PM Re: question about PA3x [Re: zuki]
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia

Hi Zuki,
they sure do.
We've also got 4 fills now, which is a lot better than having just the 2. I luv the fact that the fills can be set to Auto, so they act like the Yammies ie hit a variation & you get the fill before the variation starts playing, or you can press a fill button and it acts as a fill in.. Or when Auto is set to OFF, you just use the same way as PA800.

I didn't think they could improve much on the PA800 ( I was very happy with it),but with PA3X, I'm REALLY happy. haahaa

Originally Posted By: zuki
Rikki. Question please: Do the fills/buttons keep blinking and repeating when pressed twice like the 800? I sure hope so because this is such a useful feature.
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Rikki 🧸

Korg PA5X 88 note
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#332390 - 10/09/11 08:07 AM Re: question about PA3x [Re: Nick G]
zuki Offline
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Posts: 4731
Thanks Rikki. I'm saving up for one currently!
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