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#320886 - 04/05/11 07:25 AM
Re: Advice needed for Midi Keyboard Purchase
[Re: hammer]
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It will be very different between the two. There are certain aspects of Yamaha's that ARE miles ahead (SA, Mega Voice guitars, multipads), but there are aspects of Roland's that, IMO, give them the lead - Editing styles and songs, being able to quickly change a style's entire character and turn it into something fresh, a 'punchiness' to the drums that sounds a lot more live than Yamaha's, just to name a few. We're seeing street prices on BK's down in the $850 range, and most of us (or many, anyway) have a controller keyboard, pedals, you name it. Plus, as we've talked about for a while, a BK makes an ideal companion to a modern WS (MoXF, M3, FantomG etc.), adding full arranger capabilities to more contemporary keyboards with arps and loopers on them. The BK's MIDI implementation is way ahead of the Yamaha MOTL keyboards, so integration with a WS is a lot easier and more flexible.... It's the same old argument, in a new dress. Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Ketron... all very different, all do some things better than the others, some things worse, all sound pretty different, with a different 'philosophy' in the style parts (some leave more room for you, some do more for you). In all honesty, comparing the BK to a PSR910 kind of misses the point. A BK compares (on paper, at least) very similarly to an E80 or G70, $3500+ keyboards in their day. For about $850 or so. It's NOT a Yamaha, it's not a Korg, it's not a Ketron. If you prefer those products in keyboard form, you are unlikely to change your mind just because this is a module. Oh, hang on! IT'S A MODULE! So, all you have to compare it to is the big Audya, at what, $3000 MORE..?! Now it looks a LOT more like a bargain, doesn't it? Personally, for someone looking to ADD an arranger to either a WS of an arranger from another manufacturer, this can't be beat. As a standalone arranger for a keyboard player, well, it's more in the middle of the pack, with strong and weak points. Would it stack up against a PSR 910 module? Possibly, unless Yamaha do some magic to the MIDI implementation, or you just prefer the Yamaha 'sound'. But we all know Yamaha are never going to make one, so I guess Roland have the affordable arranger module field entirely to themselves...
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#320888 - 04/05/11 07:56 AM
Re: Advice needed for Midi Keyboard Purchase
[Re: FransN]
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Loc: Tampa, Florida, USA
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Have you already hear the BK7m in person? How would you know if the PSR S910 is miles ahead in sound and styles?
FransN, I have no play or see the BK7M in person, but I have see and play the PSR-S910 and is a very nice keyboard. For me is better than the Tyros 2. Have Roland any instrument comparable to the S910 (voices, styles, etc)? NO Since my days with the G70 version 1, I have been afraid of Roland arrangers. All the others have drop like flies (E80, E60, E50, G7, G8) I wish that the BK7m be a breakthrough product. If it is, I will purchase one. In the meantime I will wait and see.
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#320892 - 04/05/11 08:24 AM
Re: Advice needed for Midi Keyboard Purchase
[Re: hammer]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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Machetero, I think I can answer your question for you...
If you already think the S910 is a very nice arranger, you aren't going to like the BK. It's a Roland. They are NEVER going to sound or work like Yamaha's. As well they shouldn't. There ARE still a bunch of us that LIKE that 'sound', the punchy live aspect (I play in live bands all the time, and no way a Yamaha would cut through a real drummer!), and if I wanted a Yamaha type sound, I would get a Yamaha, not hope that Roland make something JUST like a Yamaha!
Trouble is, of course, if you really NEED a module, it's the only affordable game in town. Yamaha are about as likely to bring out a module as they are a 76 Tyros!
Go and listen to the BK, by all means. But I'll save you the trouble of thinking about buying it... If you like a PSR S910, get one of those!
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#320895 - 04/05/11 09:02 AM
Re: Advice needed for Midi Keyboard Purchase
[Re: Diki]
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Registered: 08/21/09
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Loc: Tampa, Florida, USA
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Machetero, I think I can answer your question for you...
If you already think the S910 is a very nice arranger, you aren't going to like the BK. It's a Roland. They are NEVER going to sound or work like Yamaha's. As well they shouldn't. There ARE still a bunch of us that LIKE that 'sound', the punchy live aspect (I play in live bands all the time, and no way a Yamaha would cut through a real drummer!), and if I wanted a Yamaha type sound, I would get a Yamaha, not hope that Roland make something JUST like a Yamaha!
Trouble is, of course, if you really NEED a module, it's the only affordable game in town. Yamaha are about as likely to bring out a module as they are a 76 Tyros!
Go and listen to the BK, by all means. But I'll save you the trouble of thinking about buying it... If you like a PSR S910, get one of those! Diki, Thanks for you view/advise. I am open to the BK7m because the drums from Roland are usually better (lively) than the Yamaha ones, but a little afraid of the sounds (pianos, guitar, etc). I have been a Korg arranger person for some time now ( a Ketron person at Church until recently), but Korg does not have an arranger module. My ideal setup will be a light module that I can move between home and Church with Midi controllers in each site. BUT..... I hear that Ketron is coming with a new module at Musikmesse, smaller than the Midjay and 4 times powerful.
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