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#314828 - 02/01/11 07:07 AM T2 live drums vs S910
rolandfan Offline
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Registered: 07/29/02
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Is it true that because the T2
Drum kits are live, they sound
Better than the s910.

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#314847 - 02/01/11 08:33 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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Not true...who told you that?

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#314875 - 02/01/11 12:15 PM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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You may be confused with the T4, which has some new 'Live' drum kits which the S910 doesn't...
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#314890 - 02/01/11 01:26 PM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
You may be confused with the T4, which has some new 'Live' drum kits which the S910 doesn't...


Yea maybe he meant the AUDYA?......is that KB still talked about what happened? confused


Edited by Dnj (02/01/11 01:26 PM)

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#314954 - 02/01/11 09:38 PM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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Vast majority of Audya users are happy and spending time playing them instead of talking about them!!
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#314986 - 02/02/11 07:54 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: DonM]
rolandfan Offline
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I am indeed talking about the tyros 2. Only the tyros
Series get the live drum kits. My friends tyros 2 drum
Kits sound "punchier" than my s900. I know the s910 has
A few different drum kits..but they are not live. It
Seems live drum kits makes a difference... Your thoughts?

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#314989 - 02/02/11 08:42 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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I suspect that you may need to set the global EQs a bit to achieve the sound quality you wish to achieve. To me, the S-910, fresh out of the box, is very flat sounding in comparison to the Tyros2.

If you have not set the global EQs yet, press the Mixing Console button, tab to EQ, scroll down to User1, the press the Edit button. Try the following settings: EQ1=5, EQ2=4, EQ3=2, EQ4=4, EQ5=8 and see if this makes a significant difference when played through the onboard speakers.

And, of course, with the Tyros2, there will be some differences with the sound system used as well.

Hope this helps,

Gary cool
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#314999 - 02/02/11 09:31 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
I suspect that you may need to set the global EQs a bit to achieve the sound quality you wish to achieve. To me, the S-910, fresh out of the box, is very flat sounding in comparison to the Tyros2.

If you have not set the global EQs yet, press the Mixing Console button, tab to EQ, scroll down to User1, the press the Edit button. Try the following settings: EQ1=5, EQ2=4, EQ3=2, EQ4=4, EQ5=8 and see if this makes a significant difference when played through the onboard speakers.

And, of course, with the Tyros2, there will be some differences with the sound system used as well.

Hope this helps,

Gary cool


Tyros has CMP settings also that need to be addressed.
Try ATTACKY

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#315002 - 02/02/11 09:44 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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But, let's be honest here. Is it likely that the S910 has the same quality DAC's that the TOTL Yamaha has? Or that the samples may be exactly the same length and compression?

I always noticed, when playing say a G1000 right next to a G600 (a friend has both) that the exact same patch sounds a LITTLE bit different from one to the other. A little thinner, less forward, more brittle, less warm, whatever. My friend now has an E60 and a G70, too (he's an inveterate collector!), so I might get the chance to A/B them, too. But from reports at Roland-arranger.com, I think some DID mention a slight perceived thinning out of the sound.

Maybe Ian (who has likely had them next to each other in a store, played through the same speakers, etc.) could comment about whether there is any difference in sound? It's probably slight, but I would be quite surprised if an arranger about $2000 less than the TOTL sounds IDENTICAL...
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#315008 - 02/02/11 10:20 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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There is a difference in sound between the S910 and T2, especially when when played through some good speakers. I happen to have a friend's S910 besides my T2, played through Mackie SRM450's (same settings, cables, CMP OFF and EQ flat, Effects Off, Studio Drum Kit), and the T2 sounds much cleaner and discrete. Also, there is less noise coming from the T2 outputs.

As Diki said, it is all about the DAC's.

I remember doing the same thing with a VA76 and G1000, and guess what? The G1000 sound came out much better through the same speakers. The same thing goes for the PA800 and PA2x. Although Korg claims that it is basically the same machine, there is a difference in sound between the two.

Again, don't expect "HALF-WAY" decent DAC's from anything other than a TOTL arranger.


P.S. If the drums sound muddy and boomy on S910 or T2, especially the snares, try adjusting the LPF and HPF frequencies in the REVERB settings. I have achieved some very good resultswith this, where the snares and overall drums sound punchier in the mix. I also have the CMP turned OFF and Master EQ is used only to CUT certain frequencies.


Edited by hitman (02/02/11 10:32 AM)

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#315013 - 02/02/11 11:01 AM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: hitman]
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Originally Posted By: hitman
There is a difference in sound between the S910 and T2, especially when when played through some good speakers. I happen to have a friend's S910 besides my T2, played through Mackie SRM450's (same settings, cables, CMP OFF and EQ flat, Effects Off, Studio Drum Kit), and the T2 sounds much cleaner and discrete. Also, there is less noise coming from the T2 outputs.



Yes, there is a difference...and, I think the S910 sounds more like the Tyros2 than the Tyros3.

That said wink...the S910 has a slightly (very slightly) thinner sound, but not on all patches...some are equal, including the SA Sax and SA Concert Guitar. Some are are different, like the Live Grand Piano and the synth sounds.

As Diki said in an earlier post, sometimes a big fat sound is not what is wanted...perhaps that's why I like the S910 so much...and, also why I liked the Tyros2 over the Tyros3, the former being sweeter and less robust, but in a good way.

I didn't find the S910's outputs noisier than the Tyros2, but it could have been the way I set them up.

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#315027 - 02/02/11 12:38 PM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: ianmcnll]
rolandfan Offline
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A lot of insight. This confirms what I had
Suspected. I have adjusted eq settings but
Still the T2 sounded better in the drum dpt.
I realise also that speakers make a diff.
My s900 is almost sold. I'm getting a s910.
I hope I like it

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#315030 - 02/02/11 12:56 PM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: DonM]
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Registered: 01/30/06
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Originally Posted By: DonM
Vast majority of Audya users are happy and spending time playing them instead of talking about them!!
DonM


Yes Don,

Things appear to have settled down on the Audya, no more lock ups for me for about 6 months, I don't think they are selling in great numbers, cash is in short supply and still think they are overpriced.

Keep on playing Don.
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#315041 - 02/02/11 03:02 PM Re: T2 live drums vs S910 [Re: rolandfan]
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Diki,
Many times I played Roland E50 and E80 side by side, and they do sound a little different using the same sounds. However, sometimes I found myself preferring the E50. It is set up better out of the box, with fewer editing options on the overall sound and parts. I'm convinced the E80 would have to sound better if set up exactly the same.
If the E80 were only half the weight . . . it would have saved me lots of money when I sold it! It is a killer keyboard though.
DonM
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