I cant believe what's taking Korg so long??

Are they literally waiting for the doors to open at NAMM 2011 before posting ANYTHING other than the Kronos teaser video??

Yep.....And the Karma package for the Motif XF, is looking way cool too

As well as the Kronos, as well as the PA3x....

Lotsa of info and demos to look at over the next few days I reckon...Lucky my internet download limit resets soon

Dennis

Kool slide show of the new stuff.....no KORG's yet

http://www.flickr.com/photos/harmonycentral/show/

I have just had a little birdy tell me Roland are releasing a new RA90 style arranger module at NAMM. To include MP3 and audio playback as well as styles.

Apparently the reason is that the digital pianos are going so well, and they have no onboard arranger, this is the reason for the release...

And there IS a counter on the Roland website to NAMM.......

Dennis

btw the website is www.rolandconnect.com

Maybe our wait is close to over ...

"Special Press Event" tonight (1/12/11) where Korg will announce their "game changing" product.

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2011/01/new-musical-products-unveiled-this-week-at-namm/
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what time will this be approximately? im trying to work out the time difference here from Australia to the US

probably between 8-11pm PST in California

17 hours Nick (behind us that is- in Summer), so if you do what I am and set the alarm for around 4.30am......

This will be the Kronos release. The PA3 will be earlier I reckon.

The Karma + Motif has already been slated for noon.

Hi Nick, Whenever I chat with you or Dennis (aka Miden) on Skype, I realize you guys are 19 hours ahead of us in California, but to make things a lot easier for me to calculate, I prefer to simply think of you as 5 hours behind us ( but the next day) instead. For some reason this makes it a lot easier for me to conceptialize.

Spoke with SZ buddy Tapas last night and he plans to head for the Korg booth at Namm first thing when it opens tomorrow: 10am, and expecting him to call me around then and report live news from the showroom floor. I'll try to keep you guys posted.

btw: this is posted from my iPad.

let's see who's right! My roland rep told me no new arranger products! I hope he's wrong!

KORG: The KORG Kronos (teaser video) - based on the audio in the video and other sources, rumor has it that it will be a hardware synth encompassing their legacy line of synths. Korg's version of the Arturia Origin? A hardware chameleon of the Legacy line of synths? The full Legacy line including the Analog Edition (Polysix, MS20 & Mono/Poly), the Digital Edition (M1, Wavestation), or both?

Update via Juan Vilchez in the comments: "Hi! Korg Kronos it's as you suggested something like the Arturia Origin.

Kronos = Time, legacy, heritage...

Why I am so sure?

Check this out:
Compare 000:Vaporization Pad on Korg Legacy Cell with the main sound used on Kronos teaser.

http://www.juanvilchez.es/vaporization_pad.mp3

9 could be the number of legacy synth engines present on this machine. So far I count 5 (Polysix, MS20, Mono/Poly, M1 and Wavestation). Which are the remaining 4?"

Quote DNJ "9 could be the number of legacy synth engines present on this machine. So far I count 5 (Polysix, MS20, Mono/Poly, M1 and Wavestation). Which are the remaining 4?"

God I hope it's a lot more, and less of the same, I don't think that Kronos would capture any market, it needs to be revolutionary, or it's dead in the water.

If the 9 is a countdown, when will it begin? that's what I want to know

http://www.synthgear.com/2011/synthesizers/korg-kronos/




KRONOS RELEASED

OK Price? I think looks a small Oasys, unless the dollars are smaller or the same glad I bought a Motif XF

Yeah it will be interesting to see George. Apparently the rationale behind it is that as Roland are now dominating (by a long way I am told) the piano market, particularly home, and to a lesser extent the RD series and the super duper modelled one, that they wanted to have a value-added product for those who still wanted some arranger functions to go with their home digital piano.

It totally took me off0guard as well... Not one word of it until this morning....I was just a bit sceptical, but my guy reckons thats what his Roland rep said.

Bear in mind I am in Australia George so it may be a different market Roland are looking at...you know maybe Europe and the R.O.T.W and NOT so much the the US????

Dennis

Yep looks like its a the new Oasys with Karma...Be good to hear demos....The Yammie XF + Karma might shade it????

such product would make perfect sense. A cheap, nice Casio cdp-100 and a desktop arranger, and have a killer setup that's easy to carry....if it has a chord track and good sequencer, consider me a buyer

All this is well and good & looks goos.....

NEXT lets hear & see some good demos from Namm & Beyond !

Re. the Roland product... I am afraid nowadays that Roland try to distance themselves SO FAR from actually using the word 'Arranger', it might be hard for any product rep to actually KNOW whether something about to come out is actually an arranger.

In their own product line up, GW-8 is described as a 'Synthesizer Workstation' and the Prelude is described as a 'Portable Keyboard'. At the US Roland site, at least the Prelude is in the Arranger section, but the GW-8 is in the Synth/Workstation section.

A rose by any other name... (wouldn't stink as bad!)

It's no wonder the reps are completely flummoxed about what any of the products that are coming out actually ARE...

dicki amazing how your so negative about something that just came out a few hours ago!

Donny I think perhaps it's more disappointment from Diki, NOT negativity..

And I do agree with him to a point, the way Roland were categorising these arrangers was rather silly.

However I am waiting on more details on the new "box" from them before I make a definite decision on it.

I prefer to call it 'realism', Donny.

Perhaps you like to live in a dream world where every new product release COULD be 'the one', could be the very thing you've wanted all your life, could solve ALL your problems, could fix every single fault in whatever you are currently using... But, let's face it, it hasn't happened YET, has it..? How much disappointment can you STAND?

If you build up every single product into things that defy realism, you set yourself up for disappointment. I prefer to take a realistic view, and am seldom disappointed. Who's the happier person NOW?

Roland have always leveraged existing technology into arranger products (rather than the other way around). Everything released of an arranger nature since the demise of the MOTL and TOTL branches of the tree have been derived from a Sonic Cell. Simply the description and specs of this thing lead one to the almost inevitable conclusion that this is simply a re-packaged GW-8/Prelude, maybe with a few bells and whistles to help remote operation (not that any of them won't be useful) and accordion specialized operation. That, IMO, is a perfectly reasonable thing to assume.

But building it up into the Next Coming of Roland is optimistic beyond belief. There's no way Roland are going to launch anything ground-breaking in an accordion accompaniment product. They never have before...

Truth is, I am not disappointed in the least. Seems like a decent product, and if it had the full soundset from the GW-8L, I'd get it in a flash. But a simple read of the specs dashes that idea (you DID read the specs, didn't you?). Not enough Tones by FAR...

I am sorry, but the only negativity I see is the refusal to accept what is by far the more likely product, and the building it up into something it can never be. Possibly, YOU are the disappointed one, being unable to accept its' simple roots. Me, I am perfectly happy with what it IS...

In any case Diki, it IS good to have you back and posting..
Truly

how about substituting 'posting' for 'moaning'

Only 'moaning' I hear is those 'moaning' about me being realistic.

Why not direct that 'moaning' at the manufacturers, who apparently haven't made the product you want, rather than at me for informing you of that?

Shoot the messenger... always an SZ fave!

I agree in part with you....this product is nothing too great; it certainly isn't the arranger workstation that I hoped it was.

But it still seems a good and well made product. It looks set for a budget conscious piano player who wants to have something to practice and record with.

But the small screen ,no sequencer and no advanced features like sampler etc definitely don't make it an arranger workstation.

Someone should really make one. But on the whole, I give Roland Kudos to have made that module, really. There aren't many of those, the only other ones I know are the Ketron ones, which are never set to be sold for peanuts. Roland makes very competitive products, in my opinion, even if they didn't make my dream portable arranger workstation (yet? who knows).

Read my posts this thread (and others on the same subject) and you'll see me agreeing with you there. It's a great little product, but NOT the return of Roland's MOTL and TOTL philosophy.

The small screen is simply a function of cost and form factor. Last Roland arranger module (RA800?) had no sequencer, either. One assumes with modules (even module versions of synth WS's rarely have the full functionality of their keyboard cousins) that one does the work in advance with a computer (or a keyboard sequencer if you MUST!) and you simply import the work.

Somebody HAS made one... Ketron. Costs a fortune. I'd rather save my money and get this than have to pay $3000+ just for a half assed sequencer. This, a little sampler module or a laptop running some VSTi's (Roland finally have multiple Drum Channels so the sequencer or arranger can send correct notes to a looper despite transposition at the sender end) and you have much of the functionality of a Ketron module at a fraction of the price...

Ahhh glad to see your over last years Hissy Fit and posting here again..already feels like old times. Maybe you and your buddy Chas can get together and teach each other how to resize your profile picture and grace us with it one of these days & I hope it's not Marley...I can feel your pain also with the Saints going down the toilet like my Eagles, but with that said I'm always optimistic with New Gear until I actually hear it or play it. Anyway don't you love the new forum format? Now lets get back to NAMM 2011 shall we?

Come on Donny!!....Apart from your last sentence, was all that REALLY necessary???