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#309567 - 10/16/06 07:16 PM SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
Frank L. Rosenthal Offline
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#309568 - 10/17/06 12:44 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
Bernie9 Offline
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Thanks Frank. It is hard for me to compare to SGM180,for example, with all of the processing.

If you get it, please report.

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#309569 - 10/17/06 12:59 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Hi Frank,
great minds think alike. (haa haa) You must have been sending out little ESP messages.
Actually I had just finished ordering it before I logged on to the forum, only problem is I've had a problem with the download, so I have to wait for them to get back to me to give me a new link. What a pain.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frank L. Rosenthal:
[B]Some of you may find this of value:
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#309570 - 10/17/06 01:04 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Hi Bernie,
I've ordered it but had a problem with the download link.
Actually I've had the 24 mb version for about 12 months or more. It was quite a good font at only 24mb's , can't wait to hear what they've now managed to do with 250mb's.
It aught to be awesome.

I'll get back when I eventually get my order.
The sooner the better haa haa.

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Rikki

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Originally posted by Bernie9:
Thanks Frank. It is hard for me to compare to SGM180,for example, with all of the processing.

If you get it, please report.

Bernie
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#309571 - 10/18/06 04:20 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Hi Guys,
I received my download, they were fairly prompt in rectifying the problem.

Haven't had much of a chance to go thru them yet.

Bit dissapointed with Piano 1 for arpeggiated styles. (First instrument I always check). I actually prefer the sgm128 piano for these type of styles, no big deal as I can always copy it into the font.

I'll just have to audition them against my preffered fonts to date & see how they stack up.

best wishes
Rikki
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#309572 - 01/23/07 04:32 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
santantoni Offline
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I am interested in the product that Rosenthal mentioned,but is it a module? What it's called? on the website mentioned,they don't say much other than it sounds great

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#309573 - 01/23/07 04:40 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Ok,I now understand that they are samples,and that it needs a player to play them back. I use a laptop PC (I don't have a Soundblaster soundcard) and I would like to use the 250 mb soundfont GM set (sounds really good).
What is the most efficient soundfont player I can get? I take that there are even free ones like SFZ... is it any good / stable? Sorry about the dumb questions

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#309574 - 01/23/07 06:05 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Hi,
don't dash out & buy any soundfonts till you try some of the free ones.

Also check out as many posts as you can, ie some like the following.

If you want to use soundfonts you either require a soundfont compatible card or a software setup. ( my setup is in one of the posts below)

OMB v10 now hosts dxi's & vsti's.
One problem is the software I use for loading soundfonts ( Live Synth Pro) doesn't work correctly with omb's new dxi option ie it doesn't recognize program changes, so I've had to go back to one of my original soundfont setups.

Omb10 works fine with my Hyercanvas dxi, Roland GS VC3 dxi, http://www.pgmusic.com/products_misc.htm

it may also work with Coyote Forte DXI http://www.pgmusic.com/products_misc.htm
there is a demo to try before you buy, but unfortunately my time ran out before OMB vers 10 was introduced, so I couldn't try it.
The problem with the above dxi's is that psr styles use xg drum mapping wheras the above use GM/GS. Just means styles will need some degree of editing/tweaking which can be done in OMB. They'll need tweaking for soundfonts also.

There's also a link to a program called Synthfont , soundfont midi player, one way of trying some free soundfonts in midifiles before going to the expense of buying either a soundcard or software required to use soundfonts with OMB.

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Rikki
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum43/HTML/000003.html
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum43/HTML/000026.html
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum43/HTML/000023.html
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum43/HTML/000064.html

[QUOTE]Originally posted by santantoni:
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#309575 - 01/23/07 07:32 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Hi Rikki,many thanks for the info. I have already found some free Soundfonts,I am sure there's more around...
I did not try Synthfont,but I tried SFZ,and it works really well. However,it loads in OMB and it sends/receives MIDI,but I hear no sounds,probably because there is nothing loaded in SFZ. I am still trying out the OMB demo so I need to figure out more,it may be that it works well with SFZ.
OMB works great with Edirol Hypercanvas too,as you mentioned.
I will still need to figure out all these differencies between XG and GM,I know the main ones,but as I am just starting on the 'arranger path' I still don't know a few things. ( been using Cubase for years and I am tired of programs like that).
This is really a very cool forum though...I am sure I can learn a lot from it. Thanks for mentioning the fact that soundfonts need to be tweaked to be used correctly with the PSR styles...frankly I think that would be too time consuming,as I have more urge in making the music,so in that case I won't use Soundfont if I am using OMB or PSR styles

Now that you mentioned this relevant fact about GM modules playing back with not the exact instruments for the PSR /Yamaha styles (therefore requiring tweaks) ...do you know of a good XG softsynth instead? Something like Edirol Hypercanvas ,quality-wise,but XG instead of GM. Thanks for your help.

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#309576 - 01/24/07 12:14 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Hi,
sfz when USED IN OMB as a vsti, is only capable of loading 1 instrument. I tried it in multi timbral mode ( ie assigning various instruments 1 for each channel)& ended up with a jumbled mess, the only way I THINK it can be used is using it for a single track ie
vsti 1 channel 10 drums ( drum soundfont )
vsti 2 channel 11 bass etc ( bass soundfont)
I don't think it works the same way as dxi's do in OMB.

There is a SFZ+ dxi version for sale. Used to work in my old laptop, but doesn't work with my new dual core processer, notes keep hanging. Really dissapointing as it's quite a pricey piece of software.

xg & gm/gs easist way is to get an instrument list. Yamaha (xg based) roland ( gm/gs based) manuals are downloadable from the net, they usually have an instrument table in them somewhere.

It's your styles that need to be tweaked, not the soundfonts ( though that could be done too haa haa)
Usually it's just a case of adusting volumes or changing an instrument, but on occasions you can have an incorrect type of drum playing ie you may have a handclap whereas you should be hearing brushes, this is where the difference between xg & gm drum mapping comes in.
I actually own a psr 1500 & I even have to tweak some of my old Yamaha 9000 pro styles if I want to use them.

Another xgsoundfont (freebie xg bank) has xg mapping, also for some bizzare reason provitamin gm soundfont the drum mapping for it more closely resembles xg drum mapping as far as I can tell. http://www.reasonbanks.com/pvitamin_map2.html

Unfortunately I don't think Yamaha make an xg softsynth anymore. They used to have one , but the latency would have made it unuseable for omb in realtime arranger mode. The delay you got from pressing the key, to actually hearing the sound was far too great.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by santantoni:
[B]. Thanks for mentioning the fact that soundfonts need to be tweaked to be used correctly with the PSR

[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 01-24-2007).]
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#309577 - 01/24/07 08:02 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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hi

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#309578 - 01/24/07 08:04 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by santantoni:
[B]Hi Rikki,

thanks a lot for the info...it's a shame that Yamaha does not do an XG softsynth that can replace the Microsoft Wavetable within Windows,like the Edirol VSC.

But after all,I think that even with a good GM module ,OMB sounds really good...very good program!
Shame about SFZ too...if it cannot be used multi-timbrally,I'll check out the other one that you mentioned. Thanks Rikki

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#309579 - 01/25/07 05:22 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Here is the Yamaha SYXG 50 program.
When you load the program on XP, you will get an error at the end, (The program was originally designed for Windows NT) but you can ignore this and when you restart the computer, you will have a Yamaha XG player available. (If you want to use it in other programs, dont forget to select it first, otherwise the program will open the Microsoft player)
As when loading any program, Create a Restore Point First.

Bill
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#309580 - 01/25/07 10:32 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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thanks,I'll try that out. Is it only a player? I was thinking about an XG synth I can program midi files with. I'll check it out,though. Thanks

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#309581 - 01/25/07 01:49 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
rikkisbears Offline
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Hi ,
if it's the actual softsynth??
you should be able to use it with your midifiles, just not with OMB in realtime arranger mode (because of latency issues)

Actually come to think of it, you should also be able to use it in OMB's "arranger window." It's the section of OMB software that works similar to BIAB ie you type in chord progression & put in style parts from your yammie styles. It's not in realtime, but it's a great way to create a very quick backing track.

best wishes
Rikki

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Originally posted by santantoni:
thanks,I'll try that out. Is it only a player? I was thinking about an XG synth I can program midi files with. I'll check it out,though. Thanks




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#309582 - 01/25/07 02:02 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
rikkisbears Offline
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Hi,
actually what I've managed to get up & running at the moment is a combination of the roland vsc3 dxi ( which came with one of my BIAB megapak upgrade's) & I'm using
sfz to play xg soundfont drum tracks .
ie OMB setting is
tracks 1-8 vsc3 ( probably work with hypercanvas also)
tracks 11-16 vsc3
track 10 vsti 1 sfz with xg drum soundfont

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by santantoni:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by santantoni:
[B]Hi Rikki,
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#309583 - 01/25/07 03:14 PM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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If you can use the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth that comes with Windows, then you will be able to use the SYXG 50 synth just the same.
Hope this helps

Bill
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#309584 - 01/26/07 05:44 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
santantoni Offline
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unfortunately it won't install...maybe because I am using XP pro instead of Home. Oh well,thanks anyways

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#309585 - 01/26/07 05:45 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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unfortunately it won't install...maybe because I am using XP pro instead of Home. Oh well,thanks anyways

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#309586 - 01/26/07 07:30 AM Re: SONiVOX GM SoundBanks
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Im running XP Pro SP2 and apart from the one error on install, it works without any problem, try running it in compatibility mode using the Windows NT option.
Hope this helps

Bill
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