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#303450 - 02/08/04 09:10 AM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
Burkels Offline
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Originally posted by Peter Lowden:
Now hang on Burkels, simmer down, NO one is calling anybody anything!!

I may have misread what you meant to say. Whatever the case, I overreacted. My apologies. I was not in the best of moods this morning when I wrote that. (No, I didn't drink too much last night :-) )

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To show my open mindedness on this subject and the fact that i'd still like to own a Roland VA7, perhaps you'd be agreeable to email me the page from within the owners manual, where it says about Single Fingered Chord settings.

That's where some of the misunderstanding creeps in, I'm afraid. I was under the impression that Roland told you they simply don't have any other ways to use SFC than the Roland-style. I don't know if specificly the VA-7 can do this any other way, I do know my EXR-5 can.
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I've also got a printout chart that I put together sometime ago, that I emailed to Roland, Korg Wersi etc.
The printout contains all the single fingered chord positions for Yamaha and Technics keyboards. Again if you're agreeable I could email you this and you can check them, just as Roland UK have done.

The manual of my EXR-5 contains a chart where all the chords are displayed (fingersettings) along with the keys you must use to get that chord in the arranger. I too will be more than happy to scan that page and e-mail it to you. I am certainly interested in your chart, since Roland did not add that chart in the manual.
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PS Let's start again, i'd like to get to the bottom of this.

Again, I apologize for my reaction earlier. To my defense I can only say English is not my native tongue, which still causes misunderstandings from time to time. I'll look up the meaning of "dismiss" next time :-)


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#303451 - 02/08/04 09:15 AM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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Thanks Graham,

Like I keep say "Which is the better method of Single Fingered Chord placement etc" is of no interest to me (never has been).

To repeat my original post at the top of this thread "Does the Roland VA7 recognize single finger chording in the same manner the Technics and Yamaha keyboards do?

With reference Graham to your line that says "playing single fingered chords the Roland way...you are automatically part way to learning how to play fingered chords.

So the Roland way is better (Like I say "not interested if it's better or not") but it is different then Graham, from the other keyboard manufacturers. Can you just confirm it is different, as this is exactly what Roland UK and dealers I have spoken to have told me.

Thanks for your help Graham, do you know of the additional SFC mode (as mentioned by Burkels in this thread) which uses the more common method of SFC used by Yamaha, Korg Wersi Technics and Gem (just reminding all again I'm not interested in what method is best)

Kind regards

Peter

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#303452 - 02/08/04 09:53 AM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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Originally posted by Peter Lowden:
I've also got a printout chart that I put together sometime ago, that I emailed to Roland, Korg Wersi etc.


I scanned the MD1-settings from the Roland manual, find them here:

http://members.chello.nl/burkels1/exr5/md1-chords-a.gif
http://members.chello.nl/burkels1/exr5/md1-chords-b.gif

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#303453 - 02/08/04 10:05 AM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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Many thanks for your MD1-Settings

Checked them through and they are different than Technics Yamaha etc.

What is interesting is some are the same for instance G7 & C7 but GM7 & CM7 etc are different, no dought you can see this when you compare them to the charts i've sent you using the Technics Yamaha etc method.

You mentioned the MD2 mode have you charts for these?

Kind regards

Peter

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#303454 - 02/08/04 10:36 AM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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Originally posted by Peter Lowden:
Many thanks for your MD1-Settings
Checked them through and they are different than Technics Yamaha etc.
Correct, this is the "standard Roland method"
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You mentioned the MD2 mode have you charts for these?

Yes, you sent them to me In other words: In MD2 mode, my Roland EXR-5 follows the Yamaha/Technics chart completely. Checked every chord just now. (Roland did not include that chart in my manual though, but thanks to you I now have them :-) )

Regards,
Bart

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#303455 - 02/08/04 10:46 AM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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This is very interesting Burkels

Can you scan me the page in the manual for your Roland EXR-5 Keyboard where it mentions and gives explanation for the MD2 Mode.

Many thanks

Peter

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#303456 - 02/08/04 01:30 PM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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I'm pretty sure the VA7 can do everything the EXR5 can do (except cover function) and a hundred things the EXR5 cant.

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#303457 - 02/08/04 01:38 PM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
Peter Lowden Offline
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I've done a bit of more research Bart.

Correct me if i'm wrong please, but has the VA7 been about 2-3 years old, and recently had an upgrade to Version 2.

Is your keyboard the EXR-5 been out only a very short time?

I think you hit the nail on the head earlier in our debate, it looks very much like the MD2 Mode has only become available recently and is not available on the VA7.

What surprises me is that Roland UK Tech Dept
did not mention that the new range ie: the EXR-3 & EXR-5 has this new feature for Single Fingered chord recognition.

Is there a new flagship arranger keyboard dur out soon from Roland to replace the VA7 & VA76 keyboards? if so there's a good chance
the new MD-2 mode will be available on it?

I'm going to telephone the Roland Tech dept UK Tomorrow, to get things clarified.

Let you know how I get on Bart

Thanks for your help on this, who knows I may get that Roland instrument yet.

Kind regards

Peter

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#303458 - 02/08/04 01:50 PM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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Originally posted by rolandfan:
I'm pretty sure the VA7 can do everything the EXR5 can do (except cover function) and a hundred things the EXR5 cant.

Sure. But that's not the issue at hand, is it? Besides, we're talking about two "quite" different priceranges here. This is not a "my board is better than yours" thread, it's about Roland not giving correct information, as far as I can see
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#303459 - 02/08/04 01:57 PM Re: VA7 Single finger chord facility?
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Originally posted by Peter Lowden:
Is your keyboard the EXR-5 been out only a very short time?

Yes, it hit the stores last October, or sometime around that (may vary depending in which country you live)
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I think you hit the nail on the head earlier in our debate, it looks very much like the MD2 Mode has only become available recently and is not available on the VA7.

I did some "Googling" myself too on the VA-7 specs, but I found no information about variable arranger settings like the EXR-series has.
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What surprises me is that Roland UK Tech Dept did not mention that the new range ie: the EXR-3 & EXR-5 has this new feature for Single Fingered chord recognition.

Well that's exactly what I meant in my reply this morning: If Roland told you that Roland uses a different approach by definition, the information you got was incorrect or at least not complete. Maybe because the guy you talked to assumed that you wouldn't be interested in a new feature in the lowrange boards since you were talking about a VA-7.

On the other hand, I find it quite likely that Roland will implement this MD1/MD2 thing in the new "flagship" boards as well, maybe even in an upgrade for the VA-5/7, like you suggested. I do not have access to information about developments in that area, so I can't answer your question about that, I'm afraid. Maybe Fran knows more?

Regards,
Bart

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