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#300336 - 12/05/10 01:10 PM Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Nick_M Offline
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Registered: 11/28/00
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Loc: Waukesha, WI, USA
Hello all. I have been away for some time and would like to get back in the groove and could use some advise.

I have been using a Yamaha PSR-740 for a while now (yes, still!) and am very comfortable using it. Couple years back I bought a PSR-3000 used for about $1k and haven't used it, as it was much different from the 740 and just didn't have the time to learn it. Now, I would like to make the move forward away from my 740, and am debating if I should keep the 3000 and just learn it or sell it for a little loss and upgrade to a S910 or something else?

For those that have used a 3000 & a S900/910, how similar are they from a learning to use standpoint? Also, is there any noticeable sound improvement?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Regard,
Nick

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#300337 - 12/05/10 03:46 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Nick G Online   content
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Basically the PSR S910 and PSR 3000 work exactly the same. about 95% of the features are the same.

I used to own a PSR 3000 and now have the S910. The S910 has all the latest sounds and styles. the sound quality is a substantial difference.

the PSR 3000 is/was a great board. but the S910 is just basically the newer version with updated sounds and features.

It has every sound from the Tyros 2 and a god portion of sounds from the Tyros 3 including all new synth sounds and pads.

mp3 player/recorder, better keybed, proper Guitar strumming in the mega voices and multipads, new drum kits etc.

And like I said, if you know how to use the PSR 3000, you can instantly jump on the S910 and you will be able to navigate around just as easily without having to learn much...

Nick

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#300338 - 12/05/10 04:47 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
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I'm still using the PSR-3000 and it is light years beyond the PSR-740. If you have technical problems, go to www.psrtutorial.com and you'll find the answers to your questions answered in short order.

Good Luck,

Gary
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#300339 - 12/05/10 06:11 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Gary-What's wrong with you?

Only "Nick's" are allowed to comment on this thread...



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#300340 - 12/06/10 06:38 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
travlin'easy Offline
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Hmmmmmmmm! I wonder if I can post unanimously, in the spirit of Christmas, as Saint Nick?

Gary
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#300341 - 12/06/10 06:46 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nick G:
Basically the PSR S910 and PSR 3000 work exactly the same. about 95% of the features are the same.

I used to own a PSR 3000 and now have the S910. The S910 has all the latest sounds and styles. the sound quality is a substantial difference.

the PSR 3000 is/was a great board. but the S910 is just basically the newer version with updated sounds and features.

It has every sound from the Tyros 2 and a god portion of sounds from the Tyros 3 including all new synth sounds and pads.

mp3 player/recorder, better keybed, proper Guitar strumming in the mega voices and multipads, new drum kits etc.

And like I said, if you know how to use the PSR 3000, you can instantly jump on the S910 and you will be able to navigate around just as easily without having to learn much...

Nick

Nick



I don't think the S910 has any sounds from the T3 that aren't on the T2. The S910 is way better than the PSR-3000.

I'm shocked that you never moved up to the PSR-3000 which is also way better than the PSR-740 - which only takes floppy disks!!!

I love my PSR-S910. Not only would I suffer if I had to move back to the PSR-3000, my audience would suffer as well, and in turn, my income.

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#300342 - 12/06/10 08:54 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43707
Quote:
Originally posted by Beakybird:
I love my PSR-S910. Not only would I suffer if I had to move back to the PSR-3000, my audience would suffer as well, and in turn, my income.


The 3k is still a super arranger...if I remember Gary D who is a Super pro player....bought a S910 and after a few days promptly returned it for a few reasons and is still performing nightly with his Psr3000....
I don't think his audience or pocket is suffering at all. maybe Gary can explain it better.

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#300343 - 12/06/10 08:54 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ianmcnll Offline
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If you play primarily instrumental music, the S910 really has the edge over the 3000 because of it's great SA voices, like guitar, sax, organ, strings etc.

If you are mostly a vocalist, then the 3000 should do you just fine...it's a terrific arranger, and light years ahead of the 740.

I had a 740, 3000, S900, S910, and the latter is by far, the best of the bunch.

Good luck,

Ian
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#300344 - 12/06/10 08:57 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
124 Offline
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Registered: 01/01/09
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Ian, how much could you reasonably expect to pay for a used 3000? And when did that model first appear?

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#300345 - 12/06/10 09:01 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ianmcnll Offline
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by 124:
Ian, how much could you reasonably expect to pay for a used 3000? And when did that model first appear?


I sold one a year ago for about 900 CAN...it was well used, but I had put in all new key contacts...it's a nice arranger, and it gets you away from those old floppy disks.

I'd say a mint 3000 should go for at least $1000 or more.

Ian
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#300346 - 12/06/10 09:28 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
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#300347 - 12/06/10 09:40 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
I've seen mint 3000's go for $1200-1500 CAN, but they were "mint"...no scrathes, and very little use at all.

It's a great keyboard...it has everything you need, plus it's using Mega Voice technology in the styles, and the panel layout is excellent.

The 3k's screen is better than the S900's, but not quite in the same league as the S910.

Ian
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#300348 - 12/06/10 02:11 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Nick G Online   content
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Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 1122
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Quote:
Originally posted by Beakybird:
I don't think the S910 has any sounds from the T3 that aren't on the T2. The S910 is way better than the PSR-3000.

I'm shocked that you never moved up to the PSR-3000 which is also way better than the PSR-740 - which only takes floppy disks!!!

I love my PSR-S910. Not only would I suffer if I had to move back to the PSR-3000, my audience would suffer as well, and in turn, my income.



Hey Beaky check the data list of the S910.
it has all the new synth sounds, Synth Basses and Pads that the Tyros 3 has. It also has new drum kits (analog T8 and T9+ ethnic and other kits that are not in the T2).

Nick
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#300349 - 12/06/10 06:34 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
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Registered: 03/21/03
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I've owned the 2000, 3000, s900 and now the s910. The s910 is by far the best of the bunch and I think the 3000 is a better board than the s900. If you are moving up from a 740, either the 3000 or s910 will be a pleasant move, but once you play the s910 you probably wouldn;t want to go back to the 3000. Good luck.
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#300350 - 12/06/10 07:08 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
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I'm primarily a singer, therefore, the 3000 works just fine for me. My voice is essentially my right hand, and the few purely instrumental songs that I perform never seem to suffer using the 3000. Keep in mind, however, that I also have created several custom voices that I utilize and have more than 40,000 third-party style files that I've tuned for the 3000 as well. Many of those styles are song specific with song specific intros and endings. Most of those styles will work on the S-910 as well, but some may need a bit of tuning and tweaking in order to make them sound the way I want.

As I said above, that 3000 is light years ahead of the 740, and from what many performers say, the 910 is a big step up from the 3000.

Good luck on whatever you decide upon,

Gary
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#300351 - 12/07/10 02:37 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
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Loc: USA
If you're in the market for a 3000 head on over to psrtutorial.com and get in touch with the site's owner and developer Joe Waters. A few weeks ago he had his PSR3000 for sale at a very good price. Joe never gigged with it so to my knowledge it never left the study in his home.

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#300352 - 12/07/10 04:55 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Graham UK Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
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Loc: Lincolnshire UK
Tyros 2 + NP30 Owner.

Myself I can't come to terms with the 900 series rubber buttons, they flop side to side when pressed....(I call tacky)
Previous models PSR3000 appears to be made to a higher standard to last longer....or sorry forget we all in a throw away world.

Now don't all jump on me at once !

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#300353 - 12/07/10 06:35 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Graham UK:
Tyros 2 + NP30 Owner.

Myself I can't come to terms with the 900 series rubber buttons, they flop side to side when pressed....(I call tacky)
!


Hi Graham...gee, nobody's going to jump on you for having an opinion...not here!

I actually love the rubber buttons...they are one of the reasons I like the S910 over the Tyros2/3...the buttons are "grippy" to my fingers and not "tacky"...maybe "sticky"...Ha Ha.

I like them so much, that, horror of horrors, as a clinician, I have requested similar buttons on the Tyros, in place of the huge "cough drop/candy" buttons, that are slippery and kind of "jukebox" looking to my eyes.

They probably won't change the Tyros buttons, but, I wasn't the only clinician who requested the rubbery buttons, so, not everyone is unhappy with them.

They are very durable too, as I've yet to have a failure on any of my demo instruments, and they get above average usage.

I like the idea of the NP-30 as a lower manual...I saw your setup on YPKO, and it's pretty darn cool...I have several clients who are now using a similar setup, both with the Tyros, and PSR-S910/S900...kudos to you for the idea.

Ian

PS...I would like to see the Tyros3/4's excellent screen on the next PSR-S-series, although the present screen is okay...the Tyros' even bigger screen would be nice (without the tilt feature, of course).
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#300354 - 12/07/10 06:35 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
Posts: 2227
Quote:
Originally posted by Nick G:
Hey Beaky check the data list of the S910.
it has all the new synth sounds, Synth Basses and Pads that the Tyros 3 has. It also has new drum kits (analog T8 and T9+ ethnic and other kits that are not in the T2).

Nick



I stand corrected. I think I'm going to play synth for a little while.

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#300355 - 12/07/10 06:47 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Beakybird:
I stand corrected. I think I'm going to play synth for a little while.


I discovered these great synth voices not long ago myself, Beaky...they are terrific...some of them have the mod wheel assigned to open/close the filter.

Ian
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#300356 - 12/12/10 06:52 AM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ytlevine Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 132
Still using a 3000 here, but was thinking about upgrading to either a Tyros or S910.
One thing about the Tyros 3 that I really loved was the keybed.
Does anyone know how the S910 and Tyros 3 keybeds compare?
I also loved having 3 right hand voices, but not sure it's worth paying more just for that...

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#300357 - 12/12/10 01:28 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
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Loc: Reseda, California USA
the keyboard on the Tyros3 is exactly that of the Yamaha Motif6. It has a much better feel with more resistance than the keyboard on the PSRS910. The Tyros keyboard is made in Japan, the 910 in Indonesia.

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#300358 - 12/12/10 09:21 PM Re: Yamaha Arranger Dillema
ytlevine Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 132
Thanks!
Figured it wasn't as good, and really loved the Tyros feel.
Not sure if that justifies the price difference for me though...

[This message has been edited by ytlevine (edited 12-12-2010).]

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