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#298575 - 11/03/10 02:40 AM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
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I hate to beat a dead horse...........but I use music finder at every gig in conjunction with registrations. That doesn't mean that I'm linking them to regs because as we know that can't be done.

What I do is remove the factory MFD file that's something like 1500 plus entries. Many of the suggested entries for songs on the factory music finder I don't like I replace it with my custom MFD roughly 300 tunes and midi files. So now I've got a very manageable list and while I'm performing one song it's no problem to scroll to the next tune I'm going to play.

For singing I simply note either the key I'm going to sing the tune in or what works well is just enter -2, -1, +1, or + 2 etc. in the title entry in music finder. That's an easy reference that when I start the tune I need to hit the transpose button up or down. I also note in the title (thanks to Scott Yee for the suggestion) that I make notes for what instruments play on each OTS. So for instance an mfd entry look something like this:

Fly Me to Moon, -2, 1P2JG3S4Ham

Which would translate to hit transpose button down 2 steps OTS 1 Piano OTS 2 Jazz Guitar OTS3 Sax OTS 4 Hammond Organ . I also have a set of registrations for instrument voices easily accessible so that I can use those in place of the OTS settings. Many times I replace the OTS settings by revising the style. All my revised styles are saved to the hard drive in a folder scheme that mimics the on board folder scheme with the music finder on T4 and s910 it's simply one touch to the button "mf" that adds the file to music finder.

No it's not as good as Songbook on the Korg, but it's a very usuable system.

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#298576 - 11/03/10 02:53 AM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Stephenm52:
What I do is remove the factory MFD file that's something like 1500 plus entries. Many of the suggested entries for songs on the factory music finder I don't like I replace it with my custom MFD roughly 300 tunes and midi files. So now I've got a very manageable list and while I'm performing one song it's no problem to scroll to the next tune I'm going to play.

For singing I simply note either the key I'm going to sing the tune in or what works well is just enter -2, -1, +1, or + 2 etc. in the title entry in music finder. That's an easy reference that when I start the tune I need to hit the transpose button up or down. I also note in the title (thanks to Scott Yee for the suggestion) that I make notes for what instruments play on each OTS. So for instance an mfd entry look something like this:

Fly Me to Moon, -2, 1P2JG3S4Ham

Which would translate to hit transpose button down 2 steps OTS 1 Piano OTS 2 Jazz Guitar OTS3 Sax OTS 4 Hammond Organ . I also have a set of registrations for instrument voices easily accessible so that I can use those in place of the OTS settings. Many times I replace the OTS settings by revising the style. All my revised styles are saved to the hard drive in a folder scheme that mimics the on board folder scheme with the music finder on T4 and s910 it's simply one touch to the button "mf" that adds the file to music finder.

No it's not as good as Songbook on the Korg, but it's a very usuable system.


Steve, that is a great system (big thanks to Scott as well), and I will pass this on to my clients.

Very workable.

Thank you.
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#298577 - 11/03/10 05:22 AM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Originally posted by Stephenm52:
For singing I simply note either the key I'm going to sing the tune in or what works well is just enter -2, -1, +1, or + 2 etc. in the title entry in music finder. That's an easy reference that when I start the tune I need to hit the transpose button up or down. I also note in the title (thanks to Scott Yee for the suggestion) that I make notes for what instruments play on each OTS. So for instance an mfd entry look something like this:
Fly Me to Moon, -2, 1P2JG3S4Ham
Which would translate to hit transpose button down 2 steps OTS 1 Piano OTS 2 Jazz Guitar OTS3 Sax OTS 4 Hammond Organ .


Now I hope Yamaha is reading this ridiculous uneeded hodgepodge of steps we have to go thru if you want to use the MFD in its current state....no wonder no one hardly uses it in a real gigging situation ALL this information should be on screen & Transpose saved...a;so the display should be a little bit bigger also on all units tilt or not. Yamaha wake up please.



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#298578 - 11/03/10 06:04 AM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Now I hope Yamaha is reading this ridiculous uneeded hodgepodge of steps we have to go thru if you want to use the MFD in its current state....no wonder no one hardly uses it in a real gigging situation ALL this information should be on screen & Transpose saved...a;so the display should be a little bit bigger also on all units tilt or not. Yamaha wake up please.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 11-03-2010).]


Donny I'd love to see Yamaha improve further on mfd and a larger screen on the next S series would work well too no doubt about it.

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#298579 - 11/03/10 06:15 AM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Originally posted by Stephenm52:
Donny I'd love to see Yamaha improve further on mfd and a larger screen on the next S series would work well too no doubt about it.
lets hope so steve a display screen like on the roland fanthom units would be excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Kf-32i-TQ&feature=related




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#298580 - 11/03/10 08:03 PM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3583
Loc: Middletown, DE
DNJ,

With Ketron (AUDYA, but most apply back to previous Ketron Products), you can also store within a Registration (appart from the obvious style, transpose, voices ... etc)...
* Another Registration.
* Style(s).
* Voice(s).
* Wave
* Mp3
* User Voice List

Let me further expain why I included style and voice above.

When you recall a Registration, ofcourse the keyboard sets up exactly as it was for that song. However, F1-F10 (X 2 pages) can now be used to instantly access styles, voices ... etc (depending on what you stored in there BEFORE saving to a Registration.

So at a show, you can instantly recall a Song setting/Register, and as you are playing, press F4 (which could be a Midifile and it's new transposed value which starts playing either instantly or at the start of the next measure - depending on how you programmed it), or F1 (FLUTE) to instantly access the flute, or F2 Dance.wav (which could be a wave file) or ... choises come close to being endless.

The BLOCK REGISTRATION takes it up a level where you can now store many (20) Single Registrations / Song settings which you can recall ... on the fly!
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#298581 - 11/03/10 08:16 PM Re: Does Tyros 4 Music Finder Directory Save Transpose also now?
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
AJ thanx for the explanation .....
I am aware that the Audya has features no other arranger has .....as per demonstrated by yourself to me on numerous occasions & I appreciate that Mucho!! Flexibility in Navigation is critical to a performer..
I'll be in touch.

Thanx again

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