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#297751 - 10/28/10 10:47 PM Re: My first impression of the Audya
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Rusty 999

I just looked at your post a little closer and saw you made reference to the OUTPUT ASSIGN (SEPARATE) as per X1 and SD1/SD1Plus.

On the X and SD1 Series, you were able to go to OUTPUT ASSIGN and choose SEPARATE 1, 2, 3 4 [F5] which displayed a screen that had ALL arranger parts (Chord 1-5, Bass, Drum1, Drum2) and you could [for each one] assign to either output, correct?

On the AUDYA, this detail degree of assignment can't be achieved (as of OS 4.1 or earlier) ... the reason being that - in this system, the outputs are GROUPED such that each pair is routed to an effects bus, thus eliminating the loose of effects (as was experienced in the older SD1 and X series) when separate outputs are used simultaneously. This is why in the case of AUDYA, the outputs are GROUPED (1&2), (3&4), and Main (L&R) which 'limits' your capability to truely assign 'all' parts to 'any' output, but rather you are compeled to use the parts displayed per output selected.

Hopefully this now better explains your delima with the output issues and I am sorry if I mis-understood your initial request ... a lot of new development plus stuff I'm personally working on going on which has kept me away from getting answers to you and others as quickly as I would have liked to.

If your issue however is that you have been able to get the outputs routed the way you like and you have followed the SAVE procedure (as outlined above) and somehow your machine is NOT saving your settings, you might need to have that unit checked (unless there is some other user setting/error I am not aware of at this time). We can discus this further next Monday so we dot all "i's" and cross all "t's"?

Thanks,

AJ

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 10-28-2010).]
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#297752 - 10/28/10 10:54 PM Re: My first impression of the Audya
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Posts: 14200
Loc: NW Florida
I must confess that I have several times been offered discounts at trade shows. They were courtesy discounts, as in one dealer to another, or their employees, and were often for special unboxed items used for demo purposes in the show.

That Russ may have in the past experienced this (if I am gathering this right), the issue should only be a factor if AJ does this to the general public, away from a trade show (where the public doesn't go) and sells boxed, new goods. Has this happened?

BTW, before everyone goes off the deep end for AJ's sounds and styles edits, and gets all indignant that Ketron don't incorporate them, how about an actual A/B comparison... One man's meat is another man's poison. You may not even LIKE the edits...!

But I can see a lot of requests from the Yamaha type players that they might like the drums turned down, maybe edited a bit less in your face... Maybe that's what AJ has been doing? Trying to turn a ballsy live arranger into the same kind of canned muzak arrangers so many like?

(BTW, I will save Ian the hassle of typing out that I am one of those looking for that Yamaha sound... I would only have to reply that there are certain types of gigs where you NEED that canned muzak sound! And some where you don't... )
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#297753 - 10/28/10 11:07 PM Re: My first impression of the Audya
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Diki, I'll sell you a PSR2000 really cheap. Then you can have the refined sound when you want it, and the Roland sound when you want to sound GREAT.

DonM
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#297754 - 10/29/10 12:19 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I(BTW, I will save Ian the hassle of typing out that I am one of those looking for that Yamaha sound... I would only have to reply that there are certain types of gigs where you NEED that canned muzak sound! And some where you don't... )


Methinks you want a PSR because it is one you could actually carry to a gig, and not having a car, that would be beneficial.

That "canned muzak sound", or "smooth and detailed", as I like to call it, worked great for those lucrative restaurant gigs...no fighting off drunks...and a nice meal at the end of the gig...those jobs helped me pay for a house, car, groceries, utilities.

As others will tell you, the Yamaha sound works very well for other type gigs.

I did a season of theater concerts alternating between a Tyros and a PSR-S series, pumped through two Bose L1's in beautiful, sumptuous stereo...nothing but compliments on the sound.

It also says a lot, as well, at how nice the Bose and Yamaha work together.

The Audya, although issue free to a few owners, is unbalanced, buggy, and fraught with problems...much like a bad marriage.

It's good to see they have a marriage counselor in the guise of AJ...they'd be in divorce court a lot without him.

Ian
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#297755 - 10/29/10 05:03 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
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Registered: 10/22/03
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Correct...I have said that very thing myself many times, although there are those who disagree with that statement.

Glad you see my point.

Ian



Ketron gives you the upgrade for free, Yamaha makes you pay for it.

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#297756 - 10/29/10 05:36 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by to the genesys:
Ketron gives you the upgrade for free, Yamaha makes you pay for it.



AJ's upgrades are free?

Ian
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#297757 - 10/29/10 07:32 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
AJ's upgrades are free?

Ian


He said Ketron gives you upgrades free..not a independent third party company...Stop twisting words to fit your own view..
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#297758 - 10/29/10 07:41 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
He said Ketron gives you upgrades free..not a independent third party company...Stop twisting words to fit your own view..


I don't twist words....my statement was true...AJ charges for upgrades.

As far as Ketron itself...they better start charging for upgrades...that's why Yamaha is still in business.

Companies do things differently...look at Roland's arranger marketing...what a joke!

If they hadn't been so dumb, and they had listened to Diki, you'd probably be able to get rid of that dinosaur, and buy something up to date, and much lighter.

Ian


[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 10-29-2010).]
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#297759 - 10/29/10 09:32 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
leezone Offline
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Registered: 06/24/08
Posts: 3131
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
I don't twist words....my statement was true...AJ charges for upgrades.




Ian,

AJ is NOT Ketron
He is an INDEPENDENT contractor.


AJ spends 100's of HIS OWN hours tweaking, adding, recording, editing to perfect/improve the AUDYA,
then decides to charge for HIS work.

what's the problem?

would you IAN,
spend lots of your OWN time on your beloved Yamaha910,
then GIVE FOR FREE for all others to reap the benefits?

let's be REALISTIC for ONCE !!!



[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 10-29-2010).]

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#297760 - 10/29/10 10:07 AM Re: My first impression of the Audya
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:

Ian,

would you IAN,
spend lots of your OWN time on your beloved Yamaha910,
then GIVE FOR FREE for all others to reap the benefits?

let's be REALISTIC for ONCE !!!

]


Actually, Lee, I have given away for free, ALL my work on the S910 (styles, registrations, etc.) to my friends on the Yamaha forums, and also here on SZ.

I was not compensated in any way, other than the good feeling that comes with sharing and not expecting anything in return.

Anyone who knows me well, will confirm what I just said.

I am only paid by Yamaha when I do clinics and demos.

Surely you don't put a price on everything you do?

Ian
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