as I and probably many others only really use 1 intro, 1 end,

is it possible to use Intro/End 2&3
as Arr.E,F

i think having 6 Variations would be great,
as 4 is not enough for some of my styles

any way possible to have intros behave as looping Arr Parts instead?

AJ? Anyone?

Only intros 1 and 2 (as they are not programmed with melodic chord changes within). Intro 3 (and some intro 2 in categories such as Latin) has chord progressions already programmed within the Intro/Ending.

ok so AJ,

intro 3 cannot be used as normal ARRANGER part

but intro 1&2 can be?
and they will loop just like a A,B,C,D till i change?

if so, then i think i will put all my intros on INTRO3,
and take advatage of Intro 1&2 for additional parts, A,B,C,D,E,F, count em 6

I think they will not loop automatically. You would have to press the button each time to activate the intro. And you would have to have the Reintro button activated.
DonM

if you are right Don

i wish they would add this flexibility to use the INTRO buttons as regular Arr. Var. buttons

That would be useful, particularly if you do your own styles.
DonM

AJ,

can you please comment on this,

i think these 3 intros would be VERY useful if useable as main parts, Arr.

i like simple intros, not 8 bar intros,
and same with endings,

for many Latin styles, ie Merengue i need at least 6 variations, as there are many parts especially percussion, mambo, verse, chorus, bridge, etc,

Perhaps if you made the intros 8 or 16 bars long (if that's possible on the Audya), you could use them as variations.

I use intros III and II on my PSR for extra variations...usually I'll make them 8 bars long.

Can you erase the chord progression data in Intro2/3, or substitute/overwrite parts from the main variations, as in Style Assembly?

Ian


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thanks Ian,

i don't know much how this works on AUDYA
maybe AJ can explain a bit better

so Ian, on your Yammy,
if you select lets say, Intro 2
press chord, it will keep playing that 8 bar loop?

or will it kick out of the 8 bar loop and goto Arranger parts A,B,C,D, etc

i just want it to stay on Into, as it stays on Arranger parts,
i wanna use Intros EXACTLY as i do Arr A,B,C,D

It will kick out after the 8 bars.

I use this to my advantage, as I may take a part out of let's say, main variation C, perhaps the pad or strings, or even a phrase part, and substitute the rest into the Intro using Style Asssembly.

Then, when I'm on variation C, for example, I just hit Intro II/II, whatever one I've re-programmed, and my "prepared" part starts, and since most music is in 8 bar segments, it kicks out at the right time...automatically...and goes back to whatever variation I'm on, or one that I select.

I use 1 bar intros for stop/fills.

It's far easier to show this procedure than to explain it in words.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 09-23-2010).]

In a way, you can use Intros as 'one shot' vamps, and as a substitute for the 'Riff' capability (but with your own pattern and chords rather than the preset ones). Make them long enough (16 bars, perhaps) and you don't find yourself having to rehit the button too often (pretend you are making a fill call if you want it to repeat).

Another use for unused Intros is extra Break/Fills if you make them one or two bars long.

In the same vein, you can use Endings as mid-song pauses, complete with ritardandos.

i want it to STAY on the "INTRO" till I get it out.

i want it to act like or rather, BE another Arr. part E, F,

AJ,

can it happen now,
if not, can YOU make it happen ?

I don't think that's going to happen if the Audya has a similarly designed accompaniment engine to other arrangers.

Best to do the work-around suggested, unless AJ has other ideas.

Ian

I doubt that enough people would use it to make them take an upgrade seriously. We have 4 variations, 4 fills, 4 breaks, 3 intros and 3 endings per style now. However I do see your point. More would be even better!
DonM

It seems such a minor thing to add an optional 'repeat' tag to the Intros in their Style Editor, that almost ANY arranger would be better with it. It would not disrupt NORMAL use, but vastly increase possibilities for those that want to customize their instrument.

There are SO MANY of these little things, things that a simply OS change could make possible, that get ignored by the manufacturers while they spend a fortune developing 'me too' features and sounds. And, mostly, we encourage them by never bemoaning these capabilities' lack...

I, for one, would LOVE to be able to determine whether each Part is in root position or played inversion, to be able to mix it up. Nothing worse than, if the bass player is in root, EVERY OTHER Part HAS to be in root, too. Real players don't do that.

Diki agrees with me, YES !!!

sorry i did not post in Ketron Forum,

AJ, please look into this,

man... having 6 usable Arranger Parts would be AWESOME !!!
talk about customization & variety within a style

A function like this would benefit any of us, Lee, and discussing it here seems to be appropriate. The minutiae of arcane Audya operation, perhaps not so much!

Many of the things you like I posted about ages ago on the old G70 Users Forum (and some of it at Roland-arranger.com). I feel that there is MUCH that seems to me obvious needs in basic arranger operation and workflow get completely ignored by the majors, while they concentrate on the latest SA Kazoo sound or yet another mp3 playback feature.

AJ,

any idea if this can or will ever be implemented ?

i need 6 Variations

Buy a Korg. Hit any button (intro, fill, etc.) twice and it stays on until you hit it again. Ok, returning to the land of the nearly dead, now. I guess the Korg people were too busy laughing to tell you that.

chas

wow, i did not know that
that's great,

but i want to hit Intro2, Intro3, only ONCE, and have it stay there


but at least your Korg peeps can do it

Good old Korg...! Oh, and anyone too lazy to double-tap a switch for a function that few other arrangers even OFFER doesn't deserve the capability in the first place! Korg's system is even more capable than what you have requested, Lee, insofar as you get to CHOOSE on the fly what the Intro does. Your system, you set up the loop in the Style Composer (simple flag for one-shot or looping in the Intro creator) and that's what it does...

Korg's way, you get an OPTION. That's better, IMO...

Mind you, when are Korg going to join the 21st century and offer more than three fills for FOUR Variations (or just two and a Break/Fill, as many styles have)? Most already have six or so (and really ought to have sixteen ). Time for Korg to step up...

I see your point Diki
Having options Is good

And I can easily hit that intro button 2x on my akai pads

BUT
How about the option to single/double tap to choose between intros/variations
OR
Single tap for fills ONLY (as is now)
OR
Single tap for Variations ONLY

That will take it one step above Korg's method don't you think?


You did say having options is good right?

Why would you need to LIMIT what the button recognizes? If it is one shot with one tap, and loop with double tap, that's ALL the possibilities right there...

You worried you might double tap accidentally?

i want single tap to make intros like variations,
so ALL my variations, ALL 6, to have the same "keypresses", not some 1 and some 2

On Yamaha endings, if you double-tap you get Ritard.
DonM