I know it's been ages since I've posted so warmest greetings to everyone. I still read the forum regularly but for obvious reasons, I've chosen to mostly remain on the sidelines now. That said, because my name was mentioned, I thought I'd better chime in.

Roel is correct. My only issue with Bose L1 phase cancelletion have only been with Yamaha's 'stereo sampled' voices utilizing a SINGLE L1 unit only, as Roel so well described. On the other hand, utilizing two units, the Bose L1/Compact systems sound terrific to my ears. If you can afford it, 2 Bose units is the way to go for natural evenly balanced stereo sound to fill a venue.



That said, as Gar stated, I'm continuing to really enjoy the modified Logitech Z5500 stereo system that my California arr kb buddy Pose built for me. It's got awesome power & delivers true stereo sound with no phase cancellation, and cost me a fraction of the price of even a single Bose L1 unit.


Scott
Scott Yee Entertainment

Diki,

Subs come in a wide range of sizes--it's the throw that makes the difference in subs. You can have a 4-inch sub with a long throw and generate sounds so low your fillings will explode. You can have an 18-inch sub that has a short throw and its frequency range is considerably higher. The construction of subs that some kids use in their cars darned near blow the trunk open and they're considered mid size, measuring just 6 to 8 inches in diameter, but the throw is incredible. The sub on my Yamaha YST-MS50 is only 6 inches, and when cranked it will blow the windows out of my office. If I recall the specs, the throw is just 1/2-inch. I guess what I'm trying to say is that speaker diameter does not translate into frequency response--it's the speaker design and throw that makes a huge difference in subs.

BTW: They party up here in the frozen north too. Lots of younger folks at the seaside resorts listening to DJs, KJs and really loud rock bands along the boardwalk and nearby beachfront bars. A significant number of the entertainers HERE have switched to the Standard L1s and L1 Model II systems. They get the volume they want, and the coverage has been far superior to when they used conventional speakers. Different stokes for different folks.

The type of jobs Tom referred to in his initial post didn't appear to be those requiring ear-bleed volumes. However, I suspect that if you took a Db Meter and actually measured the volumes of a similar conventional sound system and a Bose L1 of the same wattage with both set at 50-percent, the Bose would, in all likelihood, provide a higher Db level at distances of 50 and 75 feet than the conventional sound system. One day, when I have some free time, and get around to fixing my Db meter, or buying a new one, I think I'll try that out using the Barbetta Sona 32SCs and the Bose L1--should be interesting. Also, I'll ask my loving spouse to evaluate the sound quality at those distances--she can hear stuff that I cannot.

Party on gentleman,

Gary

I'm afraid I don't think I'd want to risk putting a live band through just one L1, Gary... Even Bose, in their own literature, show each musician in the band having their own speaker. You'd have to limit the heck out of it to not blow sh*t up!

But you'll notice my comment earlier was aimed at the Compact. There isn't a 130W system of ANY kind I would expect to sound good at upper volume levels. It's not just a Bose bash... It's a simple acknowledgment of an audio FACT. Little low powered PA's OF ANY KIND will tend to break up as you get louder than they are capable of going. I know I'm kind of fun to debate with, but how about some acknowledgment of Kingfrog's post...? You know, the one where he, as a salesman of them, says :



Have a 'go round' with someone else for a change, eh? I'm getting a fair amount of flack for posting, these days, but feel that often, people will address their contra opinions to ME, when there may be several more on the same thread that have voiced the exact same opinion. Sometimes even blunter than I..! But most times it's ME everybody likes to single out.

Let's hear you tell Kingfrog, that SELLS them, just how wrong he is, eh Gary?

Scott welcome back you are truly missed........btw what are those
"obvious reasons" you mentioned?
Also have you ordered the T4 yet?

OK Diki. KINGFROG--YOU'RE WRONG! You may not want to sell a keyboard player an L1 Compact, but experience has proven that it's an outstanding amp for arranger keyboard players. And, when both tower extensions are in place, and the keyboard is properly EQ'd, the mids are outstanding. I've used damned near every keyboard ever made with the Bose systems, including the compact, and they sounded fantastic.

Now, let me clarify something. There's one Hell of a difference between using sound systems in a music store and using them in a large hall. The first time I tried the Standard Bose L1 in a music store I was not impressed. But, when I heard Uncle Dave performing in a relatively large restaurant in Philadelphia a few days later I had to have one. Dave took the time to set up the keyboard's EQ system for the venue and it made all the difference in the world when it comes to mid range sounds.

There are an enormous number of pros out there now using the Bose L1 and L1 Compact systems. They all had the opportunity to return them for a full refund within the 45-day trial period. Damned few ever returned them. A few were later sold for various reasons. Like I've said a couple hundred time--Bose isn't for everyone. They do, however, make a sound system for just about every conceivable venue and type of performer, but few are willing to pay the price. Ironically, the last time I was at GC, the guy who manages the Pro-Sound area came up to me and asked if I would be willing to provide some in-store clinic clinics for them using the Bose vertical array systems. I asked why he wanted ME to do it and he said you're the only guy around here that I know that has the knowledge to do it and communicate the information with our customers.

OK boys and girls--STOP beating up on Diki. He really is a nice person--albeit somewhat opinionated--but we all are. Try being NICE to him. And, if you look at the links posted at the top of this page, you can get the answers to a lot of those questions.

Cheers,

Gary

That's more like it! Spread the love!