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#2928 - 04/29/02 11:04 AM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
DMC Offline
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800dv: although you are completely correct about the history of electronic music, I think you miss the point that OldSchool is trying to make. In fact, you sound exactly like the "celebrity, recognition, and profit" type OldSchool is talking about. You've created this discission and then jump all over people for giving you their honest answer. It sounds to me like you really didn't want to know what other people think as much as you wanted to show off what you learned in class last week. Do you have any original thoughts of your own on this matter or are you going to keep quoting your teacher? This forum has more huge egos on it than actual honest/helpful people.

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#2929 - 04/29/02 11:33 AM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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These are My thoughts . I'm not refering to any comercial aspects at all . None at all . As far as the other part of the topic , no one other than Tek has responded to that .

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#2930 - 04/29/02 04:04 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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I don't want to start another argument , I take electronic music very seriously . It's very important to me . Just like painting is very important to an artist . Just like a autoracer might prefer FORD over CHEVY . Everyone has something that is very important to them , everyone does . When I went to college , I was told the same things that were told to Oldschool . Then one day I came across this old recording of Harold Bode ( the guy who made the first vocoder in 1939 ) . I thought it was a very cool sounding piece , it was way ahead of it's time . Harold Bode also biult alot of other electronic music machines . I guess the point is that when anyone says that electronic music got it's official start in the 60s , is wrong , dead wrong , and there ain't no two ways about it . I've spent along time researching this , so far the oldest electronic music record I've found was done in 1939 . I'm still looking , it ain't easy but I have some more leads . The point is that when someone says something that ridiculous , it's like it ignores all the people who were bulding electronic music systems , using and making electronic music long before the 60s. My Uncle ( who is now dead ) worked for RCA from 1943 to 1979 , he designed or helped to design some early electronic music systems . He also worked on the RCA MARK 1 synthesizer in 1951 and the MARK 2 in 1956 . Electronic music was being done not only with samples , but with electronic sound equipment long before the 60s . The 60s already had a huge pallet laid down for them by people like Harold Bode , Vladimir Ussachevski , Pierre Henry , Pierre Shaeffer , Otto Luening , Luc Ferrari , John Cage , Iannis Xenakis just to name a few . That is the truth , the fact that it really started in the 60s is NOT !

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#2931 - 04/29/02 06:46 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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Registered: 01/27/01
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DMC:
Thanks for your note.
MRT1212:
You are correct, there is something very special about live performance, something quite missing from web delivery. I did latch onto your "non anonymous" a little too tightly. Most of my live work was in clubs, and I really don't miss that much anymore, but a stage is a whole 'nother kettle o' fish!
optinone:
Don't apologize for the slate of instrumental sounds you've chosen - it's the demands of commercialism that dictate you have to, as you say, " . . . have guitar, drums, vocals . . ." Make the music you hear!
800dv:
You may assume that since you've posted essentially the same remarks four times in this thread that we've all gotten the message. I also think you might be struggling with the difference between "began" and "began in earnest", but it's quite moot, and I've already ceded the point. As to who has responded to your original question - I have (the mark I wish to leave is any contribution I can make to the art regardless of whether anybody sees me it it), MRT and optinone have (it's about playing live), and, of course, tek has. Have you?
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#2932 - 04/29/02 08:49 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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Registered: 07/03/99
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You damn right I have made the same comments over and over again . If it pisses you off , good ! It should . As for what I do with my music , I make a pretty good contribution to my area here . Do I want to grow ? Sure . You have made you're point as well , as ridiculous as it is . It doesn't mean that I have any bad feelings toward you . I very rarely make posts here because most , not all , but most people here do nothing but attack people . I keep on learning , and I have met some good people here . The true sign of ignorance is a person who is totally satisfied with there own opinion , you seem to fit that . I'm not here to compete with anyone . I'm here to meet new people . If you want to spread garbage , I'll just sit back and watch the rest of you attack each other . Go ahead . I stand by what I said , you are an idiot . Now I have attacked , but that's all I'm gonna do . Do we keep this up ? Do we keep attacking each other ?? Do you post again , calling me an idiot ?? Or just say that I'm repeating myself ?????? I'll admit , I like to stir up stupid people , but I try not to do it here . I'll leave it now to the rest of you sheep .

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#2933 - 04/29/02 09:20 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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Wow.

As if there isn't enough hate in the world, some feel compelled to spew venom all over folks simply trying to engage them in a friendly conversation?!

800dv, you are one seriously anti-social mofo.

OldSchool, your restraint is remarkable.

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#2934 - 04/30/02 09:02 AM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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Registered: 11/06/01
Posts: 109
Loc: St. Cloud, MN USA
I think everybody just needs to simmer down. You know what, I think Arguing is good for people. MRT and I got into it a couple a months ago about DJs, but you know what? In essence we were argueing about 2 different things, and came to an understanding about these different things.
I don't think 800 is trying to piss off anybody here. He knows something and is trying to share it. Personally I am with 800 but just becuase that Disney guy was researching with sound way before the 60s, and experiemental sound is music to me.

Oh yeah, Oceansize, your not anybetter than anyone here
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As if there isn't enough hate in the world, some feel compelled to spew venom all over folks simply trying to engage them in a friendly conversation?!

800dv, you are one seriously anti-social mofo.

OldSchool, your restraint is remarkable.

"Anti-social mofo" is Venom too, so what are you talking about?

Don't put your 2 cents where they don't belong! You just makin it worse.

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#2935 - 04/30/02 12:02 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
Maximo Offline
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Registered: 04/02/02
Posts: 71
Loc: San Francisco, CA
I like 800dv, he is honest and also has a great skill. I love electronic music as well.
And like 800dv I like to do research to find the oldest electronic music ever made to learn a different approach to the modern electronic music. I like MOBY he is a genius! I think that this nasty email wouldn't start if people without knowledge in electronic music didn't posted in this thread, you don't like the sobject don't reply, that's what I do. I personally learn a lot of things from 800dv posts and discovered artists name that I didn't know.
THANK YOU 800dv! Unfortunatly I'm way a beginner in electronic music studies and I can't share any new stuff that you probably already know but keep posting for people that appreciate electronic music like me and I will share my opinion if I think it will help to get further in the sobject. Personally I think that the "ingredients" for a good electronic music are: fresh drum and percussion, catchy riff, melodic enough but not cheesie, and a little bit of effects here and there especially on the vocals if there are any. Thank you for reading my post. I apologize for my english, I'm Italian and I like to learn english gradually, hopefully will get better soon if people corrects me without attaching my "funny" language. 800dv keep working in the direction you have take, I think you are one cool dude and I like your attitude, I'm sure you're not aggressive if people try to have a civilized conversation with you instead of attaching you.

Cheers,
Maximo

[This message has been edited by Maximo (edited 04-30-2002).]

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#2936 - 04/30/02 12:21 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
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Registered: 04/02/02
Posts: 71
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Hi 800dv,
it's me again.
I have a question for you.
Is the "Harold Bode" you're talking about in one of your reply by any chance the "Harold Budd" that collaborated with "Elizabeth Frazer" and the "Cocteau Twins" in the album "The Moon and the Melodies" in the 1986? If that is the case I think it spells Budd" and not "Bode", just to make sure that no ones attach you for giving a wrong information and clearifing a miss spelling.

Cheers,
Maximo

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#2937 - 04/30/02 12:28 PM Re: What are the ingredients for electronic pop ?
Maximo Offline
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Registered: 04/02/02
Posts: 71
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Or are you talking about the German "Harald Emerich Walter Bode"? If this is the case the name spells "Harald" and not "Harold", again just a miss spelling, those german names!

Cheers,
Maximo

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