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#285230 - 04/10/10 09:29 PM Re: Hip me to the midijay
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Don't need simultaneous... I can cue another registration with a linked style or SMF and go to it INSTANTLY (no load time whatsoever) with my G70. One song stops, the next starts immediately...

Why do you need anything more than that?

In style mode, you can go from one registration (UPG) to another without pause, without notes cutting off, without the slightest interruption to the beat whatsoever. And this is all on something with NO simultaneous anything!

I'm sorry, but unless you are a DJ, I just don't see it... and if you ARE a DJ, there is MUCH better DJ software for laptops than the simple stuff that the Audya does.

Be honest, Donny. other than DJ-ing, did you ever actually USE multiple sources at the same time? Multiple sources sequentially is one thing, but SIMULTANEOUSLY?

Not that many Charles Ives fans out there these days in the clubs!
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#285231 - 04/10/10 09:41 PM Re: Hip me to the midijay
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Diki, I incorporate all kinds of music play in my shows "depending on the venue"...
and simultaneous song play is critical for what I do using many choices.....enter my laptop jumping around registrations is NOT what I am describing...my needs might be different then yours.

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#285232 - 04/11/10 04:38 PM Re: Hip me to the midijay
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Registered: 11/04/03
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Donny, it seems you and I have similar playing needs.

I constantly move between songs (the main reason I got a Korg PA1x was because of it's crossfader) when we do either a "straight" version of a song, or a Dance Remix, with a constant loop being needed between songs.

Thing is, I use pad loops on the Korg, which have some great factory drum/dance loops that auto-sync with an SMF and give old (and new) songs a real kick, BUT I currently can't keep one loop going whilst triggering a new sequence (at least I can't figure out a way that you can) and so if the Audya Module can keep a loop/beat/sample/Mp3 of whatever kind I need going whilst I crossfade to another SMF/MP3/Style
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if it can auto sync to the tempo of both songs (or to a "master Tempo") seamlessly, then I'm interested in the new Module - for sure!!!
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#285233 - 04/13/10 12:11 PM Re: Hip me to the midijay
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AFAIK, none of these arrangers have the 'Auto-sync' feature so prevalent on software DJ programs. That's why I question the need for it. Sure, if it gave you FULL DJ capability, it would handle the task for those amongst us that do both DJ-ing and playing, but it just seems a half-way measure, and you are STILL going to need a laptop to DJ properly.

It's obvious that, for all it's 'gee whiz, look at what THIS does!', even Donny himself ditched it. Perhaps this capability isn't QUITE as important as he makes out? Seems an awful lot to pay just so you can crossfade between one tune and the next. I can do that with a cheap laptop or an even cheaper pair of CD players and save a fortune!

Anyway, as I have said in the past, the day my audience wants to hear me DJ more than they want to hear me PLAY will be the day I retire from music!
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#285234 - 04/13/10 04:11 PM Re: Hip me to the midijay
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Fair enough for you and your needs Diki, but I think you're misunderstanding me re looping/synching etc. More to the point, I'll guess I'll speak for myself rather than Donny at this point:

I want the flexibility to say, start a well known song (be it old or new) with a loop either sampled by myself, or an Off-the-shelf-Factory beat, so that the song I'm playing sets a certain Tempo/Vibe on the Dancefloor. (Btw, that song might well be an older slower song from another Genre that works well with an upbeat dance groove.)

THEN

I want to be able to segue into another song - in whatever way I want.

For example we're currently doing "TIK TOK" by Kesha, and whilst we're playing the song, we add in vocals and (some) samples of Madonna's Holiday, along with my live playing of whatever sound I choose. This is essentially doing a "mash up" of two songs - this generation's version of a Medley, if you will, (albeit a 2 song Medley - sometimes we can work in a 3rd song depending upon timing and chord structure) and I want to be able to crossfade to, or simply add/bring in, a style OR Sample OR MP3 OR SMF all within that "master beat" within that song-within-a-song.

That DJ Style Dance Remix and/or Mashup is simply another tool to entertain people and keep them dancing instead of merely doing the standard "Radio Edit" of a song.
It's another way of doing your own version of a song, which I'm sure you yourself would often do Diki (a big band swing arrangement of a more sombre song for example, or a Classic Foxtrot Jazz Standard done in a Rhumba style etc etc etc).

The Dance Remix/Mashup is just another way of expressing yourself musically in an updated way, and because it (usually) involves much pre-thought in how to put the songs together, using a number of different elements (Style/Loop/Played Live Samples/Piano or Organ and/or Bass parts played live over a loop even) it requires a lot more than merely "DJ-ing" would normally do.

(No offence to any DJs reading!! )
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#285235 - 04/13/10 09:24 PM Re: Hip me to the midijay
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Well, it'll be a cold day in hell before you hear me do a rhumba version of an old foxtrot tune on an arranger out in public (I want to stay working, round here!), but I kind of see your point

Mind you, with SMF's and Markers, you can do some quite similar things, throw transitioning seamlessly into style mode, all holding the same tempo, and yes, if given the time to set things up in advance, I guess most audiences would be hard pressed to tell the difference...

It's cool, for sure, but it doesn't really make MY 'must have' list. Even if I'm NOT doing big band music!
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