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#273213 - 10/06/09 09:01 PM Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273214 - 10/06/09 10:22 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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You KNOW she's not real... she doesn't bitch at the piano player for playing it too fast, and stays at the end to help pack the PA away!
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#273215 - 10/06/09 10:36 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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You KNOW she's not real... she doesn't bitch at the piano player for playing it too fast, and stays at the end to help pack the PA away!


Diki,

Made in Japan know what I mean!
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#273216 - 10/07/09 05:26 AM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Diki,

Made in Japan know what I mean!



Japan is better then Italy at this point eh?

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#273217 - 10/07/09 09:38 AM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Japan is better then Italy at this point eh?



I think you missed his point.

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#273218 - 10/07/09 11:13 AM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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I was "made in Japan", but that's ancient history!


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#273219 - 10/07/09 12:07 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Originally posted by Diki:
You KNOW she's not real... she doesn't bitch at the piano player for playing it too fast, and stays at the end to help pack the PA away!


But, she might run off with the electric drummer and start her own band.

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#273220 - 10/07/09 12:16 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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She needs a chicken hat before she can be the 'real deal'...

Bet she doesn't know the 'Napkin Song' either. Mind you, she'll play it all night long if you program her. Guess things HAVE got much closer than we thought...
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#273221 - 10/07/09 12:48 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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But seriously...

It's actually a pretty good topic title. "Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?...." (Mind you, the robot would have spelled it right )

You see, what's the difference between a singing robot, and a DJ? It's a completely valid question. BOTH provide music with no human assistance whatsoever. But I don't see how this impacts MUSICIANS. There's no musicians in this clip. There's no musicians there when a DJ plays (as much as we'd like to fool ourselves), either. A robot could do as good a job.

The more we prostitute ourselves, and act as a DJ, or a karaoke presenter, the LESS we are musicians. So, for us to actually HAVE a future as a musician, we should stay clear of blurring the line any more than it already is. Personally, I am of the opinion that a musician is someone who MAKES music. Not someone who works a CD player, or karaoke machine (whether disguised as an arranger or not ).

Are singers 'musicians'? That's a question with a LOT of different answers..! Once again, I am on the side of those that either actually accompany themselves, or those that use REAL musicians to accompany them. Otherwise, what is the difference between themselves and some poor Joe Schmo in a karaoke bar? Can he claim to be a 'musician'? If you whistle in the shower, are you a 'musician'?

As long as we ourselves (REAL musicians, for the most part, here at SZ) keep lowering the bar for what is acceptable to do and STILL be called a 'musician', the more we open ourselves up to competition from those with no skills at all (DJ's) and even robots, for Pete's sake, to be labeled as 'musicians'.

Not a day I look forward to, especially knowing some of my peers actually made it happen...

For us to even HAVE a future as 'musicians', we need defend vigorously what a musician IS. And so far, it seems we are only TOO delighted to water it down and dilute the definition. I mean, it's sexy to CALL yourself a 'musician'... it's got all kinds of connotations better than 'tape operator' or 'jukebox maintenance engineer'. But for it to have any meaning, it can't be those things. Or the jukebox operators (and robots!) can call themselves 'musicians' with impunity...
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#273222 - 10/07/09 12:57 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Had a DJ tell me the other day where he was going to "play" next. I wanted to beat him on the head, but that probably wouldn't have hurt him.


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#273223 - 10/07/09 02:31 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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The more dj's play....the more I make

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#273224 - 10/07/09 02:33 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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I think you missed his point.

chas



No I think You missed the point I'll give you a clue it starts with a vowel.

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#273225 - 10/07/09 03:22 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Rumor has it she's hooked on WD-40.
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#273226 - 10/07/09 03:25 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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You can use WD40 as a fish attractant on plastic worms.
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#273227 - 10/07/09 04:21 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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What's kind of sad is that she isn't THAT much more robotic than many of today's 'pop divas', as Autotuned and comped as most of them are...

Nice to see Donny trying to make a point that doesn't start with a whole number . I'll give you a clue. It's less than 2...
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#273228 - 10/08/09 08:12 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't understand a word !!!

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#273229 - 10/08/09 09:54 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Originally posted by Diki:
some poor Joe Schmo in a karaoke bar? Can he claim to be a 'musician'? If you whistle in the shower, are you a 'musician'?


Well yes actually. If someone can sing or whistle very well why would you not consider them to be musically capable regardless of what music is accompanying them? Their performance is everything.


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#273230 - 10/08/09 10:08 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Sorry, but then EVERYBODY in the world is a 'musician'...

You would think it hardly worth inventing the word, if that's the definition. Might as well add everyone who has an iPod or a radio, then, as well. I mean, the piece of gear in their hands makes music, so that makes them a 'musician', too

Maybe being a musician is like the definition of 'art'... I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it..!
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#273231 - 10/08/09 10:16 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Is this artsy....or fartsy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwqjFmlYdNg
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#273232 - 10/08/09 10:31 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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I was hoping for 'Look, Ma! No hands..!' at the end

But yes, that IS more fartsy than artsy, IMO
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#273233 - 10/08/09 10:34 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Interesting contrast between Japanese music (at the top) and American at the bottom (pun intended! ) of this thread

Who DARES say America is in decline?
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#273234 - 10/08/09 10:36 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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He considers himself a musician...so, where do you draw the line?

You really have to hand it to him.

Two thumbs up.
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#273235 - 10/09/09 12:16 AM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Sorry, but then EVERYBODY in the world is a 'musician'...


I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion. I referred to people performing VERY WELL. So then are you saying that you think everyone in the world CAN perform very well???

Though when it comes down to it I guess that everyone can be a musician .... but not necessarily a good one.


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#273236 - 10/09/09 11:17 AM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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I guess that's the problem... you can't REALLY call yourself a 'musician', someone else has to do it to you!

I can CALL myself the Dalai Lama... doesn't make me one just because I say so!
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#273237 - 10/09/09 06:30 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273238 - 10/09/09 07:18 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273239 - 10/09/09 07:19 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273240 - 10/09/09 07:19 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273241 - 10/09/09 07:25 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273242 - 10/09/09 07:29 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Funny. Unfortunately Wikipedia didn't have a chicken hat page ..... but you never know when it could come.

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#273243 - 10/09/09 07:35 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Nigel theres always room for one more.....
http://www.chickenhat.com/clubcard.htm

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#273244 - 10/09/09 08:39 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Diki's a lucky guy.



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#273245 - 10/10/09 12:07 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273246 - 10/10/09 12:10 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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#273247 - 10/10/09 12:22 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Not Bad !

—Idioms
46. not bad, a. tolerably good; not without merit: The dinner wasn't bad, but I've had better.
b. not difficult: Once you know geometry, trigonometry isn't bad.
Also, not so bad, not too bad.
47. too bad, unfortunate or disappointing: It's too bad that he didn't go to college.
48. to the bad, in arrears: He's $100 to the bad on his debt.


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#273248 - 10/10/09 01:20 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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So, would you be content with 'not bad' as a description, Donny?

As in 'He's not bad, but I've heard better'?

Harder to feel positive about it, in that light, ain't it?

(Anyway, isn't this supposed to be on the thread with the little kid playing the cornet? )

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#273249 - 10/10/09 02:02 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Wow you even use your crystal ball on weekends too? ..Hmmmm? interesting..

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#273250 - 10/10/09 03:23 PM Re: Singing robot takes requests is this whats next in our future as musicians also?....
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Still obsessed about my balls, Donny?

Sad...
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