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Well said Nedim.

It would be interesting, playing live while at the same time being connected to MYFREECAMS.COM.
And having a lady dancing in front of you, very distracting...or playing CALL OF DUTY.
Diki, dont tell me you'll never click on any of those cameras...shame on you.

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Same goes for Mediastation tough...

Its everything in one box....

And they both have the same soundsource...

No, in reality is waayyyyy different, the ONLY true open system is OL, not some ubuntuburuntu.
We might say this is down to opinion but i dont think it is, they are not the same, hell no.
And yes, i have spent few hours with each machine, i can see what they can deliver.

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Just a pity it does not come in a 76 note version

Well, maybe you are right with this statement as i allready agreed that OL has both open hardware as software...

But...

Most people overhere don't want a true open system in the end, they want a base system with unlimited expansion options, but they want a basic arranger system that comes with a lot of great styles incorporated..

And thst something that neither of these two systems can currently offer to an arranger player.....

I still find it illuminating that those that are the MOST pro-'open' keyboards, especially arrangers, are those the least willing to show us how well they succeed at making MUSIC on them.

You see, unlike you, Nedim, MOST people buy an arranger to PLAY, not 'program'. If I want to geek my head off, I go and mess with my K2500, or my Triton, or any of my VSTi's.

Then I go and gig on my G70...

The problem is not the hardware, it's the arranger software.

Having arranger software that only offers the functions of an arranger is only part of what is needed for the concept to work. It must also have a compatible sound engine that works well in playing back styles in the format the software supports.

For you to sucessfully get Live Styler to play back a Yamaha Tyros 3 style, you would need access to the Tyros sound engine. Because you don't have this, a software arranger will always require work in getting it to sound great.

Hi Bachus,
I had a similar sort of problem with my software arranger setup.
Nothing elaborate , only soundfonts/One Man Band software.
I enjoyed the time I spent tweaking / creating styles etc, but unfortunately the stuff I created, I couldn't really share, no one else really used the same soundsource, so what's the point of sharing , if they'd have to tweak the stuff to suit their own setup.

For me it was just a way of having a very inexpensive Yammie arranger & something new to try.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bachus:
[B] No Dom, my main concern is running intoo the same problems as i currently do with my software set-up. There is no community and there is nothing that works out of the box, while i don't mind (i love it) tweaking stuff till perfection. I do miss those moments of getting a style from a friend and loving it straight away. Or just selecting that perfect factory style, to play the number i just heared on the tube..


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Both of you are right and i completely agree but another problem:
Both companies are small and are not willing to pay programmers for styles.
I personally programmed for devellopers and right now i wont even think
programming one style for less then 450-500$ for a develloper. Can you
imagine how much would that cost them? Dom once offered me (which i
appreciate IT) to program for him 50 styles for one free full MS but at the
same time i took it as desrespectfull to me. To program one style i need
at least a day and over, most of the times 2. I live in NYC and he wants me
to work for 30$ a day? And listen to this, not to pay me ahead, to give me
the MS, i had to pay for it ahead of time 1700EU then after the creation of
styles they will buy it from me for the same 1700EU. I even had to pay ahead.
And you expect a synth loaded with styles? I would do for Dom, not just me,
but many would. My offer stands, he gets from me 6 styles with intros, endings,
fills and variations, only six, nothing more and i get a free full MS. Then after
that we talk for more styles. But for 30$ a day? I'd rather collect berr cans.
Thats why those machines dont have styles. Programming styles costs a lot,
there is many of us that do work for devellopers but for the big heads, not even
for Ketron, even they are small for that kind of work but they do have a lot of
styles. Can you imagine how much would cost coming up with 100 brand new
styles for MS or NEKO? At least 40 grant, at least, even if its 35 still a lot.
Thats the reason they dont even mention that. Do you see Dom ever answer
why he doesnt have styles? Its always the same reason: we leave it to the
customer, convert from Yamaha, they wont tell you the truth.
Its simple...its all about the Benjamins...