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#268089 - 07/24/09 10:52 AM Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
George Kaye Offline
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Received a letter dated July 20, 2009 today from Yamaha.
PSRS710 MSRP $1399 MAP $1099
PSRS910 MSRP $2299 MAP $1749

Both of these prices are just $50.00 more than the current MAP for the 900 and 700

It also states that they will begin shipping in October to dealers.

Here's the information printed on the letter:
"PSR-S910 vs PSR-S900
MP3 playback delivers the most common audio format to your keyboard

Music Finder+Audio links MP3's with tempo, Styles & Voice data in one instant recall setting

New enhanced color TFT display is viewable from any angle (vs QVGA)

Add'l sounds from TYROS3 boost the voice selection

World-music content for customers interested in ethnic music

New Guitar Enhance Style File Format (GE-SFF) improves auto-accomp Styles

PSR-S710 (vs. PSR-S700)

128 note polyphony(vs 96 notes)

USB Audio Recording writes.WAV files directly to USB storage Devices

Enhance higher contrast display suitable for text/lyric display

Add'l sounds from the S900 turbo-charge the Voice selection

World-music content for customers interested in ethnic music

New Guitar Enhance Style File Format (GE-SFF) improves auto accomp styles "

In the same letter the price of the Tyros3 effective on August 1, 2009 will have a MSRP of $5499.00 and a MAP of $4599.00.

Now there will be a really big difference in price points from the 910 to the T3.


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#268090 - 07/24/09 11:33 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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So, to all intents and purposes, who the heck would shell out the extra big bucks for a T3? Only someone with more money than sense, I guess. I mean, there isn't THAT much difference between the two models on a day to day basis, is there?

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#268091 - 07/24/09 11:46 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
CoasterTim Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by 124:
So, to all intents and purposes, who the heck would shell out the extra big bucks for a T3? Only someone with more money than sense, I guess. I mean, there isn't THAT much difference between the two models on a day to day basis, is there?


I guess it depends on how important SA2 voices are to you. From all recent indications, SA2 voices will be reserved only for the T3 and will not trickle down to any other keyboards in the PSR series...to bad, but I'm sure it will happen eventually.

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#268092 - 07/24/09 03:23 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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But how many SA2 voices are there in the T3? Not a whole heaping helping more, compared to the number of SA1 voices in a T2 (or S910)...

That is an almost $3000 difference to get what, a sampler (with a closed, proprietary multisample format and little Yamaha content), and a handful of SA2 voices..?

But, as Ian will no doubt tell us in a while, Yamaha MUST know what they are doing, mustn't they?
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#268093 - 07/24/09 04:11 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:

But, as Ian will no doubt tell us in a while, Yamaha MUST know what they are doing, mustn't they?


Yes, they know what they're doing, just like Roland do ...they're both big companies, with a lot of people in between what was designed or conceived, and what ends up on the product.

Personally, I prefer the SA1 voices, as they naturally decay when held with the sustain pedal....SA2 hold....no decay.

I'm glad the S910 has a lot more SA1 voices....I'm not disappointed there are no SA2...I wasn't really expecting them.

Can't imagine selling a $4500 instrument with 11 SA2, and then come out with a $1749 arranger with nearly as many....kind of like shootin' yerself in the foot, don't ya think?

I believe the S910 is what the S900 should have been.
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#268094 - 07/24/09 04:19 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Well once the new S-910 is released the price drops on the current S-900 are going to make it one hell of a bargain.
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#268095 - 07/24/09 04:25 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by squeak_D:
Well once the new S-910 is released the price drops on the current S-900 are going to make it one hell of a bargain.


You're right, Squeak...I just may pick up another one for a back-up...if the price is right, of course.
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#268096 - 07/24/09 04:42 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hey, Ian... no-one has really posted much about the new guitar NTT's. You've got a T3 right now... how about dropping us the skinny on how well those new tables make guitar style tracks improve?

As you know, those style guitar parts are probably the main thing that sets Yamaha's so far ahead of Roland, IMO, and I would love to get someone's impression about whether this new system, now ported to the S910, really makes a noticeable difference.

And 11 SA2 voices, no matter HOW good they are (or if they even DID have working sustain ) seem a little expensive for $3000. Roughly $300 per voice? Bit steep, IMO Seems like Yamaha are taking a leaf out of the Roland "What the @#*¥ were they thinking?!" playbook...

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 07-24-2009).]
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#268097 - 07/24/09 05:12 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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The guitar parts on the T3 (compared to the S900) are noticeably better, to my ears, but they were already very, very good to begin with.

Regarding SA2 to SA1...I like having a voice decay when I use a sustain pedal...like a piano sound decays...the SA2, while very realistic, do not decay, but rather sustain at the same volume until the pedal is released.

I'm used to using the sus pedal to allow the volume to drop, rather than use a volume pedal...all the S900 Panel voices behave that way.

If I was playing in a duo, or in a small band, and using the arranger functions, I would definitely use a volume pedal so I could solo and comp more easily.

All big companies have their problems...as I said, a lot happens between conception and production...sometimes it's the bean counters that win....sometimes, the engineers.

I think the S910 will be a sweet deal, but I already really like the S900 a lot...the screen is no problem for me, and I've got it sounding the way I like.

More styles aren't that important to me...but, I will have a very close look at it before I stay with the S900....who knows, I might really find something I can't do without, but, if I don't, I'm content to stay as is.

Seems the button layout is the same, and I'm doubtful if the mod wheel is assignable to Leslie speed...that would be really nice...if some of the new SA sounds are organ, they just might have rotary controlled by mod wheel.


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#268098 - 07/24/09 05:15 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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So I'm curious about whether the new Music Finder Database can include user styles as it seems to include user mp3s.

I would love to get a specific breakdown of exactly what new voices we're talking about.

I am also curious about the guitar enhanced style files.

In all fairness to the T3, the T3 also has 70 Live! voices versus 25 for the S910, 58 Cool! voices versus 39 for the S910, 26 sweet! voices versus 23 for S910, 23 mega! voices versus 18 for the S910, and 53 regular S.A. voices versus 38 for the S910.

Plus the T3 can be expanded with samples and premium voices. Then there is better keys and three right hand voices at once. Add to that some other miscellaneous goodies.

It's still not worth that much more imo, but for someone who wants the very best, the T3 is a good choice.

I hope Yamaha comes out with the manual soon!

Beakybird

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#268099 - 07/24/09 05:31 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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But $4500 for MAP on the T3? In THIS economy? Heck, it makes the Audya not look as overblown as it first appeared...

Anyone care to say what they payed (ballpark, and you don't have to say from whom) for their T3, and then we'll start to see just how big that jump is (or how desperate to unload them many dealers are ) to the new price. Heck, I thought I got raped when I had to pay $3500 for my G70 when it first came out... But a grand MORE for a 61? Sorry, but that's plain absurd

Thanks for the Guitar info, Ian... any chance of an A/B of the same chord structure played on S900 and T3? Just the guitar track, nothing else (you know, just like what Ketron refuse to post with the Audya!). Chuck in some of those 'weird' chords just for fun (you know, sus4, aug's and dim's )...
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#268100 - 07/25/09 06:51 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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I wanted to edit my previous message, but ended up replying to it. Oops




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#268101 - 07/25/09 06:58 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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With that change in price for the T3 the new S-910 is going to be a bargain too. Why in the world did Yamaha jack the price like that. What I don't understand is while all the other companies (such as Roland and Korg) who release a board.., it sits on the market for a minute then the PRICES DROP! Hell.., the Fanton G just had a $300 price drop.. Korg's offering huge rebates on some of the PA models too.

While Yamaha takes gear that's been out for some time.., and RAISES prices! Saying Yamaha knows what they're doing here doesn't apply. You can paint it any color you want.., but GREED is what slaps you in the face with all these Yammie price jacks.
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#268102 - 07/25/09 08:33 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Don't buy a Yammie for a while (especially a T3 at that crazy price) and watch what happens! (The whole world would have to do this)

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#268103 - 07/25/09 12:23 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Yamaha greedy? really? Hell yeah! Look at what they did with the new S series display. And the T3, they release it with just a few SA2 voices and then they charge you extra dough for additional ones.
I love Yamaha, but I'm gonna stop buying their products.

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#268104 - 07/25/09 07:08 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
DonM Offline
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I haven't really kept up, but I assume the value of the U.S. dollar against "foreign" currencies is the primary reason for the higher prices from all the manufacturers.
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#268105 - 07/25/09 07:17 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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I don't know Don.., the other companies (despite the current value in currency) are "dropping" prices. Both Roland and Korg are now under-selling Yammies Motif XS. Korg is offering good rebates on some of the PA's too.

Yamaha takes models that have been out for a while (without offering any real new features or incentives and BAM jacks the price on ya).

Makes me wonder if Yamaha is also hoping the jack in the Tyros price will boost sales for the PSR-S910 (clearly making it look like one HELL of a bargain against the pricing of the Tyros).



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#268106 - 07/26/09 05:51 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Thanks, George...

for taking the time to provide this information. I look forward to a "hands-on" tire kickin' session on these two. Your efforts are appreciated.

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#268107 - 07/26/09 10:19 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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What I don't understand is why cell phones, laptops, and digital cameras are exploding with new technology while Yamaha is implementing ideas so slowly.

Mp3s have been around for years now, and they finally add an mp3 player?

You can get 4gb of flash memory for less than $10. Why does Yamaha give their S910 just 1.4mb???

Also, I was hoping not to wait 20 years before I get the Talk on/off button back that was on the PSR-740. Why doesn't Yamaha make it so that buttons B, C, or E in the main menu, buttons that have no function whatsoever in that menu, turn talk on and off. They could use buttons B, C, and E to turn on and off Talk, Vocal Harmonizer, and Vocal Effects.

There is so much new technology in sampling with larger and larger samples with greater detail. Why are individual voices measured in kilobytes instead of gigabytes?

Also, it would be nice and would be profitable for Yamaha to create a multi-footswitch unit with say, 5 or 7 footswitches, maybe with a volume pedal that could plug in the back of the keyboard via usb.

I think this is going to be a pretty good board, but given that this is 2009, I think a lot of the technology Yamaha is delivering is behind the times.

Beakybird

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#268108 - 07/26/09 11:18 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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That's how it is in the keyboard market. It's not just Yamaha either. All the makers do this to keep their production costs down. They save money by using older technology yet we still get charged the "ground-breaking price".

They hold back on some features for a reason too. It's to keep their existing customer base (and gathering new customers along the way). Give you a taste.., but not too much because.., well they gotta sell that next model too.

It's unacceptable what ALL of the keyboard makers are doing with today's keyboards in regards to using very old and dated technology. Sure you get some bang for the buck.., but for Pete's sake a modern cellphone today has more processing power than some keyboards and they're a hell of a lot cheaper.

The keyboard makers don't get hounded too much for it.., but honestly how many of us actually crack open our keyboards (after the warranty is up) to see what they're "really" putting in there
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#268109 - 07/26/09 11:38 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Well, I think you have to make a difference between cell-phone manufacturers, who sell in unit numbers tens of thousands of times greater than the keyboard market. Innovation has to be payed for, but we want technically more advanced products at prices way LESS than their predecessors, and we want it NOW

We are, sad to say, a TINY, TINY market. What did I hear one time? That the ENTIRE keyboard market worldwide has about the same yearly gross as ONE Walmart..!

The problem, as I see it, is that we often waste valuable time criticizing arrangers for non-current peripherals that WORK. Just because an arranger uses an older PCMCIA slot, and you need to put Compact Flash cards in them to work, rather than the latest SDHD cards, as long as it WORKS (and the cards are still available... which they are), what does it matter? If your arranger ONLY has USB1, but it has no significant need for USB2, except to save you a few seconds off of doing the same function with USB1, what does it matter?

I can see that there ARE many things that could be improved on Yamaha's, and to be honest, those improvements exist on other manufacturer arrangers. If they are THAT important to you, go buy something else But bottom line is, we don't buy arrangers for the peripherals, we buy them for the SOUND, and for the STYLES. Everything else is secondary.

Were this a multi-billion dollar industry like the cell phone industry (and unit prices were in the low hundreds of dollars, not several thousands), you WOULD see a technology turnover at their pace. But when we are a tiny, tiny market, you can't expect that pace of change, realistically...
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#268110 - 07/26/09 12:02 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Diki, you make great points.

However, it would cost less than a dollar per unit to increase the flash memory from 1mb to 100mb.

Some of the changes I am talking about wouldn't cost anything but a little bit of programming time, like to make some buttons, otherwise useless in a menu, activate some necessary functions. Don't you think that if you're doing a live performance with reverb on your voice that it is necessary to be able to get the reverb off to talk to the audience? Why should I have to go into a submenu?

The PSR3000 had an excellent direct access system where you could press Direct Access and then buttons on the board and get into all types of submenus. They made the system on the PSR-S900 inferior so that there is no direct way to get into many submenus.

Yamaha could make money marketing special multi footswitch devices for their keyboards for those of us who want more than two (see past threads on the Midi Solutions footswitch controller for how you can get at least one extra footswitch).

I think that Diki makes a good point though as far as implementing other improvements, that there isn't enough demand for these keyboards. They're essentially specialty devices and the prices are kind of inflated compared to mass market devices.

Beakybird

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#268111 - 07/26/09 12:45 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Originally posted by Beakybird:
Diki, you make great points.

However, it would cost less than a dollar per unit to increase the flash memory from 1mb to 100mb.

Some of the changes I am talking about wouldn't cost anything but a little bit of programming time, like to make some buttons, otherwise useless in a menu, activate some necessary functions. Don't you think that if you're doing a live performance with reverb on your voice that it is necessary to be able to get the reverb off to talk to the audience? Why should I have to go into a submenu?

The PSR3000 had an excellent direct access system where you could press Direct Access and then buttons on the board and get into all types of submenus. They made the system on the PSR-S900 inferior so that there is no direct way to get into many submenus.

Yamaha could make money marketing special multi footswitch devices for their keyboards for those of us who want more than two (see past threads on the Midi Solutions footswitch controller for how you can get at least one extra footswitch).

I think that Diki makes a good point though as far as implementing other improvements, that there isn't enough demand for these keyboards. They're essentially specialty devices and the prices are kind of inflated compared to mass market devices.

Beakybird



I think ..folks here are missing a point...The low to mid priced keyboards being mentioned..are.."home keyboards"..the typical owner doesn't need any of the improvements you are asking for..The very few that actually use the mentioned keyboards as "income" tools...are not representative of Yamaha's PSR line..customers....Fact is , either is the Tyros3 model..It is widely a "home user" keyboard...I think you will find the 76 model top of the line Korg, Roland, and Ketron models to be more considered in the "income producing " users...
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#268112 - 07/26/09 01:51 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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I think you underestimate the cost of adding the extra flash memory, Beaky. It's not just the cost of adding the raw component itself, but the cost of redesigning the main board in it's entirety... it's the cost of redesigning the chips, logic board and a host of other things. There's a reason why Yamaha can keep trotting out quite improved arrangers at little more than the cost of the previous models... It is because they are using essentially the SAME hardware architecture, and the majority of the improvements are due to upgraded sounds and OS features.

But once you start to add in hardware components that are main board related (unlike, say, a better display, a separate component), you vastly increase the cost of production. No the flash memory itself is cheap, but the cost of incorporating it into a new design is the TRUE cost.
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#268113 - 07/26/09 04:56 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I think you underestimate the cost of adding the extra flash memory, Beaky. It's not just the cost of adding the raw component itself, but the cost of redesigning the main board in it's entirety... it's the cost of redesigning the chips, logic board and a host of other things. There's a reason why Yamaha can keep trotting out quite improved arrangers at little more than the cost of the previous models... It is because they are using essentially the SAME hardware architecture, and the majority of the improvements are due to upgraded sounds and OS features.

But once you start to add in hardware components that are main board related (unlike, say, a better display, a separate component), you vastly increase the cost of production. No the flash memory itself is cheap, but the cost of incorporating it into a new design is the TRUE cost.


I thought they would need a new chip when they add voice rom, so I wouldn't think that adding flash rom would be a big deal. I mean they have two years to do it.

I think Yamaha's been using the same a/c adapter since the PSR740 (10+ years) and the same speakers since the PSR2000 (8 years). They can spring for something new once in a while.

With the S900 they took away hardware: They removed the Smart Media storage and they took away RCA outputs. They also made the Direct Access aspect of their OS vastly inferior. With the PSR3000, I used to be able to get into a lot of different submenus on the fly when I was playing. I can't do that anymore.

I think Yamaha added a couple of buttons on the PSR-S900.

Most of the time when a manufacturer offers a new product they do have major hardware improvements. The cell phones aren't any more expensive and they have much more memory and better cameras and mp3 players. The cameras are going down in price, and they have more pixels and can bluetooth to your computer and printer. Laptops are getting more and more powerful for the same price.

It is rather surprising for a product to come out after a two + year hiatus and for it to have essentially the same hardware except for a screen - and then to charge more for it (and don't forget that they raised the price for the S900 by $200 or so several months ago).

Oh well, someone connected to Yamaha on the yamahapkowner forum mentioned that there would be unexpected goodies, so we will see what those are.

I'm excited about the new voices. I'll probably use the mp3 player. It would be nice to be excited about other things as well. I would have rather waited another year to get real revamp.

As I have competitors in the senior circuit here in Chicago that have the T3, however, I'm going to pick up the S910 so I'm not blown in the dust.

Beakybird

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#268114 - 07/30/09 05:45 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hi guys - I gather from the voices discussion that S910 will not likely play the new T3 styles any better than the T2 can. With so many of the voices set for SA2 sounds in the T3 styles, it appears S910 owners will have to revoice a large majority of the sounds and then tweak them to deal with the velocity and other voice nuances that will not match up with normal SA sounds.

Anybody have any additional insight into this situation?
Or does anyone know if Yamaha has included the T3 voices and done the tweaking to make them sound good on S910?

Hope you all have a great weekend!!

Randy
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#268115 - 07/30/09 05:53 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Guys - OOPS - in my post regarding whether Yammie would include the T3 'voices', I meant "anyone think they may include the T3 styles and tweak them for S910 sounds"...

Tried editing the post, but my Blackberry won't let me get to the "edit" icon.....

Randy
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#268116 - 07/30/09 07:27 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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At least for the regular S.A. voices, they are not used in styles, only for accompaniment. The two reasons the T3 styles don't sound good in the S910 are 1) that they have a lot of other voices, Mega! Voices and many of the Sweet!, Cool!, and Live! voices that are not in the PSR-S910, and 2) the T3 has New Guitar Enhance Style File Format (GE-SFF) which improves auto-accomp Styles.

The PSR-S910 will have the Guitar Enhance Style File Format, something which the T2 didn't have. The question is whether this was one of the reasons that many of the T3 styles don't load properly on the T2. Is the T2 or S900 equipped to play these style files?

The S910 will have a lot of voices that the S900 didn't have, so many of the T3 styles will probably load into the S910, but I am betting that there will be many T3 styles that take advantage of the close to 100 Mega!, Sweet!, Cool!, and Live! voices that the PSR-S910 doesn't have.

I don't think that Yamaha will make these styles available for the PSR-S910, but I bet that there will be some industrious people among us who will convert them.

Beakybird

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#268117 - 07/30/09 11:34 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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I think there is software available to revoice the T3 styles for older instruments.
Pretty sure Michael Bedesen wrote it. Check on PSR Tutorial.
I could be wrong. (I've been married three times.}
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#268118 - 07/31/09 08:12 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
I think there is software available to revoice the T3 styles for older instruments.
Pretty sure Michael Bedesen wrote it. Check on PSR Tutorial.
I could be wrong. (I've been married three times.}
DonM


I didn't see that at the svpworld website. Also I didn't realize that the software at svpworld.com is different fromt the software at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/. It looks like you can find the software to convert styles from newer keyboards to older keyboards at Sorensen's website at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sremix/index.htm. I'll have to play around with it sometime.

Beakybird

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#268119 - 08/04/09 01:52 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hi

The correct links are: http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sremix/index.htm

(no period after the url)

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#268120 - 08/04/09 01:55 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hi

Software at SVPworld is written by Michael Bedesem.

Software at my site ( http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha ) is written by me!

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#268121 - 08/04/09 01:57 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hi

The software for converting Tyros 3 styles to older models is: "Style Format 2 Converter" at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sf2c/index.htm

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#268122 - 08/04/09 05:58 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Quote:
Originally posted by joso:
Hi

The software for converting Tyros 3 styles to older models is: "Style Format 2 Converter" at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sf2c/index.htm

Regards
Jørgen


Thanks Jorgen so much for the hard work you do programming these great utilities. I think a donation pitch is in order if you use this man's software. I better donate something myself while I'm at it.

I assume that the S910 will be using the Style Format 2. According to Jorgen's description of his converter software, it doesn't convert the T3 styles perfectly, and additional tweaks are needed.

I am excited that, with the S910, I will be able to play some of the T3 styles. The conversions that I have heard so far have been lousy. They were probably converted with an older version of Jorgen's software and not tweaked.

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#268123 - 08/04/09 10:49 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hi

As I state at the web site the converted styles will most probably need some tweaking. The converter software only do it TECHNICALLY possible to run T3 styles at older models.

As styles often is optimized to a specific keyboard model, the MUSICAL adaption to other models must be done manually.

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#268124 - 08/05/09 09:27 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Hi Jorgen,

Don't be so modest now. Without your software, we would still be dreaming of one day being able to play the T3 styles on our older models. You did a splendid job in making it possible and any other tweaking that needs to be done is a minor price to pay for the results achieved.

Thank you so much for your hard work & dedication,
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#268125 - 08/15/09 09:48 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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This is really weird. They advertise about a new keyboard price, but don't let us know the overall specifications of the same product. People get too excited expecting a huge upgrade from the S-900, but all this suspense is to get us motivated to go for the upgrade.
They say, oh this new one can play mp3 now. I already do that with my S-900. And some of the Tyros 3 styles I was craving about it I got them already, which are the AniFantasy, BlockBuster, Ethereal Movie and a few others. The rest is to heavy for my taste. Anyway, if there aren't any of those new Super Articulation 2 Voices like Ballad Clarinet, Irish Pipes, or Harmonica/Blues Harp, will the upgrade from the Psr-S900 really worth it? Let's wait and see. Cheers, Telmo.

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#268126 - 08/15/09 11:30 AM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Well Telmo, it's not due until October (don't recall them saying early or late Oct), so it could be up to twelve weeks before it hits the market. I don't recall any great detail on the T3 until it was actually shipped. Remember the 'teaser' campaign on that until it shipped?

And, while it may not have the SA2 voices from the T3, it certainly has more SA voices from the T2, and, IMO more importantly, the new Guitar Mode style format, so T3 styles should be even MORE easier to import (they are one of the major roadblocks to T3 import, right now).

There's also a major addition to the available effects, which ought to make a fair difference, too. Oh, and while you could PLAY MP3's on the S900, you couldn't record them. If your stick is already pretty full of MP3's for break music or backing tracks, being able to record in MP3 might make the difference between recording and not recording yourself all the time (not to mention speeding up transfer times to the computer).

The new display ought to make a difference for those that complained that getting the best angle on the S900's screen involved a lot of leaning in (or tilting the whole thing back), too.

If you already have an S900, MAYBE it won't be worth the change (depending on what used S900's go for), but this looks like a no-brainer for any other PSR user out there.

Heck, I'm even tempted myself...
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#268127 - 08/15/09 12:13 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Originally posted by Diki:
Oh, and while you could PLAY MP3's on the S900, you couldn't record them.


Just a little correction, my friend...the S900 records in Wav (to a Flashdrive) and will only play back Wav.

The S910 will also record Wav in the same way, and playback in that format as well, but it will also play MP3...you can convert Wav to MP3 very easily on your PC.

I'm not quite sure I will actually buy an S910...as of now, I own no keyboards...the S900, and the Tyros3 are here courtesy of Yamaha and my sample account...I've since sold the P85 and trying to decide what to replace it with, as it no longer matters if the instrument is portable. All my personal gigs are arranger based, so I don't need the piano, except for my own use in keeping my chops up to scratch. I may consider getting a CVP when the new 5-series is introduced in the new year.

It's nice to see the S910 is using the new guitar format in the styles and will have quite a few more SA1 voices, and, the new screen will also be a welcome addition for some.

Surely, it will attract PSR-3000 users more than those that have an S900.
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#268128 - 08/15/09 01:20 PM Re: Now Official Prices for PSR910 +PSR710
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Quote:
Originally posted by Telmo:
They say, oh this new one can play mp3 now. I already do that with my S-900.


Whoops... I keep thinking that S900 users actually know what they are talking about. My bad for repeating this misinformation.

Mind you, is it me, or has some information been REMOVED from the S910 pages? Seems like I remember more from last visit...

Also, tough to tell EXACTLY what they mean by 'USB audio recording and playback of MP3 files'. (You gotta love their legal department ) Do they mean USB audio 'recording and playback' of MP3 files, or do they mean 'USB audio recording... (of .WAV), and playback of MP3 files' ?
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