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#267358 - 07/09/09 10:18 AM
Re: Need lightweight synth w. good piano and E.P. sounds
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Registered: 10/08/00
Posts: 4715
Loc: West Virginia
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My bad man.., I read your response bright and early this morning and hadn't even had a cup of coffee yet. My brain's OS was still booting up for the day and I think a driver failed to load I got some cool news today. Sweetwater informed me that I was the FIRST pre-order through them for the Juno-Di I take that as being WAY COOL considering Sweetwater's relationship with Roland. [This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 07-09-2009).]
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#267362 - 07/09/09 02:09 PM
Re: Need lightweight synth w. good piano and E.P. sounds
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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You didn't mention voice editing, so consider the Yamaha PSR-S550B...a nice little arranger...a bit more loot than the GW-8, but it offers:
Keyboard: 61 Standard size keys (C1-C6) with Touch Response
Display: Large Backlit Black and White LCD (320 x 240 dots) displays notation, lyrics and chords
Voices: - Total Number: 774 Voices+22 Drum Kits - Compatibility: General MIDI (GM) & XGlite Compatible - Piano Voice Quality: Stereo High Resolution - Sweet! Voices, Cool! Voices, Live! Voices: Dedicated buttons - Dual / Split: Yes / Left, Duel - Drum Kits: 22 Drum Kits - Polyphony: 64 Note
Auto Accompaniment: - Styles: 176 styles - Variations: 4- Variation A~D & Fill - One Touch Settings: 4 per style - Registration Memory: 8 x 8 Banks - Music Database: 500 setups by song title
Digital Effects: - Reverb: 36 types - Chorus: 45 types - DSP: 239 types - Harmony: 26 types
Sequencer: - 16 tracks to record your own songs (15 Melody + 1 Chord) - 5 User songs +10,000 Notes
Real Time Control: Pitch Bend Wheel
Auxiliary Jack: Phones/Output, DC in 16V, USB to host (MIDI In/Out), USB to device (optional storage devices), Sustain
Amplifier: 12W + 12W
Speakers: 12cm x 2 + 3cm x 2
Power Supply: PA-300 Adaptor (included)
Dimensions (W x D x H): 37.2 x 15.8 x 5.1 in. (945 x 402 x 130 mm)
Weight: 16.5 lbs (7.5kg)
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#267364 - 07/10/09 10:21 AM
Re: Need lightweight synth w. good piano and E.P. sounds
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14203
Loc: NW Florida
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Originally posted by miden: Where the f#@k did that come from!!! I never said anything of the sort!!! I guess the general spirit of 'lightening up' hasn't made it to Oz yet... All I'm getting at, Dennis, is there is FAR more to linking two arrangers together than one of them having an NTA track. How do you deal with filtering PC#'s coming from the master (that might change styles, or patches, etc.)? How do you deal with triggering variations and fills, intros, endings, etc.? I am curious... do you, at this point, actually run two arrangers from one keyboard yet? Or is it something that you would like to do, but haven't tried, yet? I have to confess, I've tried this in the past, and it's a total PITA. Even if you can get the NTA track to work, you still have to reach over to the secondary arranger for all Variation operations, sometimes they don't start together, or stop together, and you often need a computer between the two just to filter out controllers or PC#'s that do weird things to the styles... All I was trying to point out is that an NTA track, by itself, isn't really all that useful. As to the GW8-L's lack of style editing, I have commented at length about that... The only way to edit styles is to turn them into SMF's, edit those, and turn back into styles. A terrible system, IMO. But, as I also said, for the VERY light price of the GW8, you get FAR more ROM than many similar priced arrangers with better MIDI implementations and onboard style header editing. I was just pointing out, at the low end of the price scale, it's all about compromise... The main problem exists that each manufacturer implements arranger to arranger control (if they implement it at all) in a totally different fashion, and that most of the codes are hardwired. We need a Standard Arranger Code that would allow exactly what you want without the either major roadblocks for variation triggering, or current ultra basic NTA only transmission. So.... which two arrangers have you linked together so far? I'd love to hear how well it worked for you.
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#267366 - 07/10/09 03:34 PM
Re: Need lightweight synth w. good piano and E.P. sounds
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14203
Loc: NW Florida
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Originally posted by miden: Only Roland. They sometimes do brilliant things, but then do really dumb things. Truer words were never spoken... I did not realize that you were talking about triggering from a WS. You had mentioned the SD-1 in your post. Yes, triggering from a WS is usually a LOT easier, as on most TOTL WS's, you can configure the buttons and knobs to send whatever MIDI you need to. The things are DESIGNED for flexibility. But arrangers rarely have ANY kind of button, knob and slider MIDI flexibility... Heck, half the time, they don't send anything at all, and the rest of the time, it is hardwired codes that you can't change. This is what I find so frustrating. Yes, I can control my G70 from my K2500 (possibly the MOST flexible WS ever made), but I can't control an S900 from my G70 The thing that strikes me is, if you have to have the GW-8 close enough to get at the controls, it's close enough to actually PLAY
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