Hi George.

Can M50 play direct from SD card like Pa 500?
I konw that Triton Le ot TR can't do that.You have to load song to the internal memory first.

Thanks.

I could be wrong, but I believe the “Song Play” mode your referring to will never been seen on a workstation every again. It was heavily criticised when it was first seen by workstaton users as a completely pointless and amateur feature.

Don't get me wrong now, I'm not suggesting your an amateur by any stretch of the imagination. But if you consider how far superior the SNG format is and it's ability to hold 210,000 notes or 128 songs in a single file. Who on earth would want to deal with reading midi files ever again.

Regards.
James.

I would have thought though, that the ability to link a song to a Combi, have it load when you load the Combi (with the M3's much faster HD system, it would appear instantaneous) would have been seen as a VERY 'pro' feature...

Surely the M3 does this?

Hi Diki.
Very sorry but I'm not sure what you mean. No KORG Keyboard can assign a song to a COMBI.

Midi files do not hold any advanced information like Tone Adjust settings, IFX information, key zones, transpose values, and so on. It's a crude and slow format that even depends on the first measure of the song to contain the Control Change data for the song to simply function.

KORG's SNG format on the other hand stores everything there is that relates performance of that song and every feature of the Sequencer and the effects engine.

In addition to that it is a true instant start format. The split second you press that button the song is playing with everything already assigned.

Load one song file, and you could have about 30 songs (which is aprox 210,000 notes)instantly available in memory.

Regards.
James.

I wish I had an answer for you but I've only been selling Korg Arrangers the past couple of years. I don't stock any of their workstations synth keyboards so I don't know about the M50. Ask me about a PA800, PA2XPRO and I know quite alot.


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You are incorrect.
Song direct play without loading
all the TOTL workstations starting from
Triton classic and extreme can do this.(old M1 /T3/X3 can't, the first TOTL to do that was Roland XP 50 where X3 can't write transpose data and has to load before it can play)This is also a feature other TOTL Kbs like Fantoms and motifs including MO6 .I'm sure M3 does it too.Can play non SMF songs files directly from disk/flash drive/Sd card.
200,000 note memory doesnt mean 128 songs.If you write your own songs, that could sometimes be more than 20,000 notes persongs.not KB memory SMFs.

Korg skipped that to save money on Triton LE and TR and most liklely M50 too(I don't see any spec or menus on M50).In MO 6, it was a big advertising feature.

M50 has all same # of EFX and wave ROM of M3, it's a shame that they skipped that function(plus the cheezy keys too, TR was much better and had after touch).

No you can't. The M50 IS a plastic Triton in essence. Sort of like Yamaha did with the MO series (it's essentially a Motif ES) without Sampling capability

James, my G70 will Link an SMF to the registration (UPG)... call up a registration, with everything you need for the keyboard parts already assigned (and easily changed without altering the SMF), and the sequence is instantly loaded. With a SSHD, there's no seek time or loading time.

Every song I do is instantly available. I see no better way than this to perform...

Yes I know,But MO series still keeps direct disk play, m50 keeps same EFX.It's all give and take.

Hi jamman.
I'm not wrong, you just don't seem to be reading what I'm saying. Triton Series was the first to see this option and the last. As I said. ..!!!!



You are not reading what I'm saying. I have clearly said that 210,000 notes is about 30 songs in the real world.

SEQ mode is used for more than SONGs you know. Many people with DAW setups using it as a means to store setups.

Regards.
James.

Not at all.
The M50 share's nothing in common with the Triton Series. Consider it a KORG M3 minus KARMA and a Sampler. The EDS engine is far more advanced than the Triton Series HI Engine.

Regards
james.

I agree with James, i never understood why that mode existed, it was pointless to me.

Hi Diki.



In a way what your talking about there is like the KORG SNG file, only you have what seems external registrations and links to files. The SNG file contains everything needed, including very specific setups and even alterations to factory sounds without effecting anything else in memory.

For example, I could have very different Engine Filter Setups for a factory sound, and if two songs used the same sound, one would not effect the other and I would not be every overwriting anything or creating anything new that needed to sit in registration memory external to the song itself.

In short, one file does it all, as well as holding up to 210,000 notes or 128 songs (whichever is used up first).

Regards.
James.

MY BAD...Was thinking of the TR...We have the M50 and listening to it against the MO8 even, Im glad I did not buy an M3..and further am not surprised Korg lowered their M3 prices while Yamamaha raised them $300 on the Motif Series.....I would have never guess from having one in the store and listening to it, the soundset is indeed "borrowed from the M3....I sure as hell thought it was a revamped Triton.

210,000 events (they aren't notes) ain't a whole hell of a lot if you are heavily using controllers. The advantage with the Roland system is that the HD loads instantly. Basically, about 4.5GB of styles, songs, setups available instantly (50MB internal, up to 4GB on the card, which loads just as fast). No having to load up a different set from the HD if the song you want isn't in that 210,000, involving a boatload of button presses to select.

Your entire repertoire, all available instantly. THAT'S what arranger players, doing the request thing really need. The WS is supreme in the studio, or in a tight, well rehearsed show (where we all see them), but out in the trenches of the gigging arranger player, having ALL your songs available instantly avoids those unpleasant 'quiet moments' while you go hunt your HD for the song load that contains what you want...

I've got a Triton. Love it. Wouldn't even CONSIDER using it instead of the G70 for sequenced gigs.

Diki, You took my words.Thanks for not making me type.

Hi Diki .



AS I said, in the real world it equals approximately 30 songs, and that's about right.

As for your G70, it's an arranger. If you wish to compare, then you need to compare it to a KORG Pa2X arranger. I have no idea why you are trying to compare it to the M50 which is a workstation. They are nothing alike.



We are back to arrangers ?.
Ok, but the main feature of an arranger keyboard is the ability to play the thing live. Not for it to simply function as a karaoke machine which is what your describing there with 4.5GB of songs and styles.

Nobody on this planet has that many songs. For what your discribing there it would simply make more sence to just buy a simply midi file player and a 32MB memory card.



Yes, and more.
Simple fact is that the workstation is the popular choice for most live situation. This is why in sales the workstation far exceeds that of the arranger keyboard by many times and why you see bands and professionals around the world using them.

Arranger keyboards have their place, but they are by no stretch of the imagination even remotely as popular as Workstations for live or studio work.



If I was going to play styles live with maybe a sequence here and there, I'd use an arranger keyboard. But if I was going to play over my sequences all night, I'd use a workstation.

That's their function, and one far exceeds the other at that.

An arranger keyboard is a nice universal tool, but it's by no means the master of all. If it was, there would be no such thing as workstation.

Lets agree to disagree though because I know I'm not going to change your mind on this. This thread was started with a question about a Workstation and I've answered that and explained what happened the last time KORG tried to include a feature like that. It wasn't wanted and if you truly understood what I have been trying to say about the SNG format, you really wouldn't be even mentioning your G70 in this thread at all.

Kind Regards.
James.

Sorry, James, not trying to pick a fight, but essentially yes , we will have to agree to disagree on this one. MOST players, no matter what they play, have a greater than 30 song repertoire. Korg, by limiting access to one's entire repertoire to 30 song chunks, have needlessly limited what the darn things are actually used for... As you said, if playing with sequences is your main reason to use a WS (rather than live band) "But if I was going to play over my sequences all night, I'd use a workstation" why would you NOT want a WS that could access ALL your songs instantly..?

"I have no idea why you are trying to compare it to the M50 which is a workstation. They are nothing alike."... Again, we'll have to agree to disagree If you're goal is to play over sequences (rather than style mode, which, to be frank, is pretty similar in ways to the Karma functions of the M3), well, most arrangers can do this, too. And have sequencers close to as powerful (or maybe better) than the M3's. The line between WS and arranger is starting to blur away. When you discuss a WS that has similar functions and usage to an arranger, I don't see why they can't be compared.

Look, I'm not saying they are identical. But usage often is. Many arranger players use SMF's primarily (and please, let's not go down the karaoke route - we both now that using SMF's is only as karaoke as you let it be. A WS can be JUST as much karaoke, maybe even more), and just a bit of style play. But I can't see why WS players really are better off only having access to 30 or so songs at a time without having to do a HD load up. I used to use a WS back in the day just as you describe, and I can't tell you how much I used to wish for a WS that everything loaded instantly...

Then I discovered the arrangers, which, although I was still doing live band work and sequenced solo and duo work, were MUCH more friendly to the gigging musician, whether you used styles or not. I am STILL using my G70 in preference to my Triton and K2500S as a live performance tool, simply because of the friendly OS for easy setup creation on the fly. If I have two or three weeks to set up for a concert, then MAYBE, especially if it is a techno thing, the Triton and K2500 work out better. But if I get a call for a gig tonight, playing anything, with anyone, anywhere, the G70 will be what I grab.

The only reason more WS players don't use these things is prejudice and lack of availability to demo and try out, IMO... If they could but see how much easier much of what they actually do is on the arranger...