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#255292 - 02/01/09 07:18 AM Re: PA Upgrade
Dnj Offline
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With One PAS The only thing you'll give up is STEREO....otherwise the Bose system works fine. I prefere 2 powered speakers for versatility.

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#255294 - 02/01/09 08:47 AM Re: PA Upgrade
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#255295 - 02/01/09 08:55 AM Re: PA Upgrade
frankieve Offline
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Line array has made a big jump in the personal small systems.

At the Namm show they had a couple of live acts, one of them was outside with a mackie powered system, sounded good, but you had to be in the sweet spot, and the fall off was very bad.

the also had a band inside who used the line array that had the portable Bose look but just bigger, they sounded great with an amazing sound coverage, and they were playing about 200 feet from glass with minimul slap back effect.

Also on another note with mackie, looks like they are having a little bit of trouble with their china plants and such.

If you want powered speakers, i think you should also look at other manufacturers. I know there a very big fans of mackie srm450's but it was and is an old design, that companies like RCF did.

I'm doing a club system next month with all FBT powered speakers.

At NAMM mackie showed barely anything, it's like they are getting out of the business.

Dynacord showed an amazing mini powered system with built in amps and subs that sounded amazing and was loud.

There are so many different companies and form factors, what works for one person may not for another, what sounds good to one may not to another.

the bottom line PERIOD, you get what you pay for. !!!

just because it's loud don't mean it's good

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#255296 - 02/01/09 09:00 AM Re: PA Upgrade
Kingfrog Offline
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Originally posted by Kingfrog:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by shim:
[b]Bill, I appreciate your suggestion, but if I am spending that much money, I'd rather go with "traditional" speakers...


WOW Thats the WRONG reason out of every possible reason . The "standerd" is what EVERYBODY uses. You want to stand APART from the pack and in a GOOD way.

Frank is right Mackies are no longer US made which had been a big selling point. They moved to China and kept the same pricing...

We use the Bose and would not go back to anything. It wasn't the traditional standard around here either but though the use of it I have sold 5 systems since October to OMBs and duos as well as two to the Big M Casino Boat...they run those on the top Deck in the open air since last Fall out in the Salt air and they run like a champ and are warrantied for 5 years anyway..I did not want to be the one to bring them up since they were not in your choice basket....(one two friggin cha cha cha and all that) but now that they have been brought up, they far better choice on many levels AND as been said THEY WILL be a conversation piece with your audiences and clients which can lengthen the 10 minute "load out" . They "advertise" you are up to date and are a risk taker not "traditional" you will be "the guy the REMEMBER with the "cool and very good sound system" My wife (and I Sometimes) are one of the few OMB that is still working in the Winter months around here. I think that has a lot to do with the sound as well as what she brings to the table musically. Array systems are on the way from many manufacturers. As usual one company takes the risk, others follow their SUCCESS.

The cost would be 25% (actually less than that you don;t need speaker poles, speaker cable and a monitor and but the depreciation is VERY low and Ancillary needs are ZERO (except for a mixer) if you go for the Mod I. We SOLD a Standard Mackie/JBL MR system to get the BOse and never looked back.

YEP you will loose stereo. The benefits far outweigh that negative (if it is a negative)In a large room stereo is not the way to go unless your speakers are 20' apart on a dance floor.but no one dancing is "LISTENING" they are "hearing" and would not notice a mono mix unless you are covering Pink Floyd. No one has ever asked about stereo in a working environment. Stereo requires a sweet spot to gain the full benefit. How many people can one squeeze into the sweet spot in a lose range. The farther apart the speakers are the farther the listeners have to be to hear the best Stereo has to offer. The rest are hearing one side of the mix more than the other and earlier than the other. Especially the closer listeners to one side. EVERYONE hears (including you) the EXACT same mix with the Bose. I know sounds like a Bose commercial but we bought ours BEFORE our store became dealers. I brought the Bose line into the store AFTER paying full retail LOL.

+10000 on the BOSE

Fringgin 1 2 cha cha cha.......



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#255297 - 02/01/09 10:23 AM Re: PA Upgrade
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+1 Mackie all the way.
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#255298 - 02/01/09 01:07 PM Re: PA Upgrade
frankieve Offline
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I forgot to say even, though I sell mostly conventional speaker systems, I perform using the Bose PAS systems
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#255299 - 02/01/09 01:09 PM Re: PA Upgrade
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:

I forgot to say even, though I sell mostly conventional speaker systems, I perform using the Bose PAS systems


Frank do you use 2 Bose in stereo?

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#255300 - 02/01/09 09:51 PM Re: PA Upgrade
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Bose fans will say Bose every time. And pretend that there AREN'T any people who have tried them and found them lacking. But there are. So, it's a push.

Try them out, for sure. But don't believe that they are the PERFECT PA for everyone. Just for those that find them perfect. They are just like arrangers. What's perfect for one is not right for another...
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#255301 - 02/02/09 03:25 AM Re: PA Upgrade
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
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Originally posted by Diki:
Bose fans will say Bose every time. And pretend that there AREN'T any people who have tried them and found them lacking. But there are. So, it's a push.

Try them out, for sure. But don't believe that they are the PERFECT PA for everyone. Just for those that find them perfect. They are just like arrangers. What's perfect for one is not right for another...


"I'm not saying its the correct choice, I'm just saying to reject it because its "weird" and "not the standard" PA in your area sounds to me, a little misguided. "



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#255303 - 02/02/09 06:39 AM Re: PA Upgrade
Dnj Offline
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Those presets arent the greatest...leave the Bose Flat & EQ your gear.

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