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#248508 - 11/17/08 01:20 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
It might be better if there was a control that allowed you to set up the aftertouch trigger VALUE, so that only the heaviest of pressure would trigger it


Technics allow you to set how hard you have to play/press the keys
before something happens.
But only 3 levels, if I rememvber it right, soft, medium and hard.
And of course on or off. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
But it's a huge difference between how Technics play this feature
and the fills. Much much smoother.
Come'on Yamaha, Ketron, Korg or whoever, add it!!

Happy Playing
GJ


Correction:
There are 4 levels to chose for Dynamic Accomp:
Heavy, Normal, Light and Extra Light.

Quoted from the KN3000 manual:
DYNAMIC ACCOMP is a function which
changes each accompaniment pattern
of the AUTO PLAY CHORD.


[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 11-17-2008).]
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#248509 - 11/17/08 03:19 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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I'm getting confused here... Is the Technics Dynamic Accomp a function of velocity, or pressure?

Fills, I know can be triggered with pressure, but the Dyn/Accomp?
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#248510 - 11/17/08 05:43 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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Diki ... If I remember correctly, the DA on the kn1000 function was activated by a dedicated button on the kb ... when the DA function was 'on', the kb would sense when the player started playing 'more notes', such as when taking an ad lib solo, and would vary the style accordingly ...
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#248511 - 11/17/08 06:30 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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Neat...

I guess the main problem with all these kind of features is that it seriously complicates making styles for them... Korg's multiple chord choices, etc..

It's hard enough to even get decent third party styles nowadays when they DON'T have to make multiple Parts per division
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#248512 - 11/17/08 08:48 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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Don't know if this helps any of you guys or not:

The Korg PA800/Pa2 allows you to set a velocity level 1-127, then use LH keyboard area to trigger one of these things if you reach that velocity:
(note: anything over about 115 takes a pretty hard hit to trigger)

1) Fill 1 or 2, or break
2) Start/Stop
3) Bass Inversion
4) Memory ( I use this a lot)

Also, something I use is that you can easily set up a sound ( multisample assigned to samples/ 4 osc per voice) (LH or RH or 1 or,2 or,3) to trigger at a certail velocity or higher. Works nice to bring in a sound on hard playing that adds a lot to the performance dynamics. I use it a lot for orchectial playing and bring in Bress or strings ensemble.

Other boards may have the same functions?

Lee
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#248513 - 11/17/08 09:11 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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That's a pretty scary bunch of functions that an overzealous chord in the LH could accidently make happen... A STOP, for Pete's sake?

You could survive an accidental fill, but that?

Same problem as pressure, for those with strong playing techniques, IMO. Plus, of course, what happens if this is set up and then you WANT to play a strong note in the LH sound?!

You can't adjust the samples in a Roland arranger (their cross points are fixed) but yes, you can set up multiple vel-splits between the three UPR sounds and two lower... Or all five whole kbd sounds if they are layered as one...
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#248514 - 11/17/08 10:11 PM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
chony Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Exactly Dennis wel explained....its all in the fingers


Most of us cannot play velocity accurately, so whether you like it or not, every chord will be +/- 15-25 velocity notes off. And that's if you're good. (If you don't agree with me, try playing a MEGA voice accurately.

And the music would sound really unprofessional - like a guy jerking the volume switch up and down.

I can't figure out why I would ever use this feature...

[This message has been edited by chony (edited 11-18-2008).]

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#248515 - 11/18/08 08:03 AM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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Beleive me it's fine...if you set the velocity up high...it takes an INTENTIONAL heavy hit to trigger one of the selected functions (only one can be used at any time)

I use the one for fill 2 all the time...no issues.

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#248516 - 11/18/08 08:35 AM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I'm getting confused here... Is the Technics Dynamic Accomp a function of velocity, or pressure?

Fills, I know can be triggered with pressure, but the Dyn/Accomp?


Yes, the harder attack to the keys when play, the more complex variation
during the measure. It's not really a fill, but bass and drums as well as
the rest does a smooth variation loop each time you trigger this.
Don't remember the number of variations that alternate before the same
pattern repeats. And yes, you have to activate it if you want to use it.

It's almost impossible to describe it, play, try and listen are the best
way to find out, as always.
Anyway, for some reason or another, when KN5000 came, that option was not
to find anymore. Probably removed to make room for all other great stuff
added.......

Btw.
Diki, ever tried out a Technics KN? Not only for the DA, but also how the
Composer, Banks and Panel Memory works. Just brilliant and very easy to use.
Yeah I know, "only" 61 keys.

But not all is just great, Technics never added the "save as GM midi"....


Cheers
GJ
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#248517 - 11/18/08 11:30 AM Re: Does Tyros 3 have DYNAMIC Accompaniment ?
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GJ
I had the KN5000 and have the KN7000, as well as the Roland G70. Whereas I like the up front sound and features of the G70, whenever I have to whip up a song with multiple changes, there is nothing like the ease of the KN. I have been following your advice from the kN5000 days.
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