I figured while were all bashing everything we never gigged with or spent ample time configuring the styles & sounds we'd take pot shots at The Might Tyros 3's mixed reviews so far?

I will step back now & duck

Looks like you have way too much time on your hands.

Jerry

I'll bite....

Too big and bulky for only 61 keys....Since I haven't played one yet..I have to reserve my other comments..

Whats gets me is that so many T2 owners I have talked to are holding back from purchasing a T3 due to the lack of insignificant upgrades & mostly not worth the extra cost. But 3k/s900/T1 owners etc, see it differently.

It sorta reminds me of the G70 version 1..and version 3....That's right..that was a free upgrade..

Thankfully there was an upgrade...version 1 was awful.

Ver. 3 still didn't fix everything.

Ian

The upgrades the T3 has over the T2 could not have been done with a simple Firmware upgrade. You can only do so much with "Versions" At some point screens have to become better, clearer, Sliders added, New Voice technology has to be added. controllers, drives..(I prefer a universal hard drive over a proprietary flash drive)

Is it worth $4000? $2000 plus a T2? That depends on ones financial situation. People pay that much for watches.

Seems like T2 owners are the angriest since they shelled out bucks only a short time ago & now are stuck in between choices.......
is that foolish or?

Well I can't comment on the T3 since I haven't tried it. But the online demo's sound nice, but if I had a T2, I don't think I would purchase the T3 if they are almost the same. I will say this though, If the S900 was released at the same moment of the T2, Do you think there would have been many t2 buyers?

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For what Palin spent on clothes for the campaign, you could buy about 40 T3's... still doesn't make it cheap!

As for OS upgrades and ver 3 for the G70, Ian, no, everything wasn't fixed. Any more than every dumb design feature on the Yamaha's is 'fixed' by getting a T3. There is little in the way of pure 'bugs' left in the G70 OS. There ARE some design choices I am not fond of, but trust me, were I to have a T3, I guarantee I could find just as many!

NOTHING is perfect. But major OS changes are a sign of willingness to even TRY to address some of the issues. So, apparently, Yamaha seem mostly unwilling. MFD without transpose storage, tiny RAM HD's, these are operational aspects that, first one could be fixed with a simple OS upgrade, second one could have easily been fixed on the T3.

Where is the willingness to not only add new features, but to revamp the ones that many DO feel are less than perfect?

For all of Roland's failure to finish the job completely, it is still a large cry from Yamaha's unwillingness to fix operational aspects that have gone through three separate hardware models...

It's easy to criticize someone else's choice in arrangers. It takes a MAN to criticize his own choice. But that's the only thing your manufacturer takes any notice of. 'Defend' Yamaha's every move (or lack of them), and what incentive do they have to improve things?

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Yes I know that, Diki, that's why I was responding to Fran's post.

Roland will do the next upgrade by offering a new arranger, much like Yamaha did with the T2 to T3.

Ian



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To each his own.......................

My Tyros2 is listed on eBay and after selling it my Tyros3 will have cost me $1500. Divide that over the next 3 years of joy playing it until the next model comes out from Yamaha, the cost is worth it to me. I spend my meager money wisely, I've never owned a watch worth more than $100 and have bought 1 new car in 30 years......but I had NO problem spending it now for Tyros3. I am very pleased with it so far................... -charley

The S950 will be along very soon

Probably 2010, if it follows PSR-3000 to PSR-S900 time frame.

$100.00 bucks says Donny will own a T3 within 6 months.

the length of time he will own it for is another bet...

It must drive Donny crazy that the time frame for new arrangers is MUCH longer than the time frame of him getting bored with them

LOL If she would have worn the stuff she has in her closet they STILL would have bashed her. Jeans and T Shirts may not have played well either. Poor girl can't win even though she is the only one in the entire race who actually RAN something as an executive and still does.

I think the RNC looked at her Middle class wardrobe and decided she needs to look more like Hillary who has designers come to her begging her to wear their clothes. I wonder why no one asked about Obama's wifes clothing or Hillary's? Well actually I already know the answer. I thank God every morning we won't be affected by either choice, and don;t owe a dime to anyone excaot the $600 property tax we have to cough up every year....

Running a state that has so much oil money they can afford a $3600 per resident (this year) giveaway doesn't exactly prepare you for trying to get this credit strapped country (and entire world) back on it's feet...

Hold on a minute... isn't this 'sharing the wealth'?

Who knew..? Sarah Palin, the socialist

For more on the great Alaska giveaway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

Maybe it's because they are so close to Russia? Damn Bolsheviks!

What makes me wonder is how the T3 hype sucks people in time after time.....
but not me...no way Jose....I Learned my lesson good with My T2 ;( I have seen the light my friends

"$600 property tax"

Where exactly do you live....We pay over 10 times that...

And it is a train called the S900 coming the other way

Diki dont believe everything you read

Especially if you post it?

OK, got it...

Great I'm glad your finally learning something!

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One two cha cha cha

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Joe Ayala

Slow, Slow, Quick Quick

Nope... still dumb as a plank.... But hung like a horse!

But beating an incumbant Republican, facing down big oil for that money and running a multi Billion dollar budget,with 30,000 employees does make her as qualified as Bill Clinton was as an Arkanas Govenor. AND SHE IS NOT A LAWYER!!!

There is a huge difference between returning taxes people paid in returned by the oil companies than taking from individuals who have and give to those who did not earn what they get.

Obama is clearly looking to take from Peter who made something of his life to pay those who don't pay anything! The first people that will be whining about Obama will be those who voted for him. I've seen this before. His name was Jimmy Carter (only Jimmy did not add reverb and Delay to his voice during outdoor speeches to give himself a more God like presence.....Listen to Obama's speeches, Having worked on the road playing huge venues outdoors it's clear someone is adding EFX to his voice...Reverb in Berlin. Delay in Ohio. Its Amazing what some people don't realize. He's good. So was Jim Jones.

No matter We won't be affected either way. We don't live in a "target city", We don't earn enough to worry about paying more taxes anymore. Our investments were moved from stocks to tax free Bond instruments and cash when Obama won the Primary because of the likely increase in capital gains taxes should he win. (Good move in retrospect) We are ready for a Single Robin Hood Party. Pelosi,Reid,Obama Gonna be fun to watch an single Party unchecked government. At least They will have no excuses they will own both houses. Americans will get what they deserve. "To achieve political and social justice through the redistribution of wealth"

Yea, that's just what this country needs is another 8 years of "George Bush" mentality running this country into the gutter.

Foreign Policy = non-existent, rampant corruption by Oil companies, Haliburton, Iraq Oil/rebuilding process missing close to a $1bln, decimated school system, decimated Medicare, out of control budget deficits, the worst economic failure of all time, tens of thousands foreclosed homes, thousands of young men and women killed over suspected weapons of mass destruction (oops sorry, they didn't exist) it was all for nothing, preaching a strong powerful army combating terrorists in Iraq (Oops the terrorists are in Afghanistan along with Osama Bin Laden), severely crippling the troops in Afghanistan probably because there is no Oil in Afghanistan; who are truly fighting the war on terror.

You want 4 more years of this crap; WAKE UP!!!! You must either be on drugs or racist to think McCain/Palin are going to lead us out of this mess; pick one.






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What does Bush have to do with the Tyros 3? He doesnt like them?

King Frog

If you ever get Maine - Let me know

I will buy you dinner

Jerry

Since, according to SOME individuals, the rising gas prices were the fault of the Bush administration, are the declining gas prices now the credit of the Obama campaign ???
Just asking .... and since we're off topic (there's a surprise!!!) HOW 'BOUT THEM GIANTS!!!
t.

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Pick one! LOL

I get it..I get it.Obama id the "ONE" one one one one "we have been waiting for" ..Arranger keyboards for everyone!!!! You will want for nothing....This is going to be fun to watch from the sidelines that's for sure.
Now I realize what Jesus must have gone through.....I give Him a year.....before the Crucifixion..Jesus at least had three.



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Why discriminate against the meth-head white supremacists who are going to vote overwhelmingly for McCain (and who he panders to with a wink and a nod)?

Some of his voters will be BOTH!

And please... 'spread the wealth'? Obama wants to roll the tax code back to only Reagan-era levels. I suppose you are going to call HIM (you have to capitalize your God's name, don't you? ) a communist? That's the same thing as socialism, isn't it?

Why aren't we defending our northern border against those communists up in Canada..? Next thing you know, they'll be flooding our country with cheap drugs (unlike our allies the Afghanistan puppet government, who are doing it with expensive ones!) and TV personalities....

Oops! Too late!

Well sports fans, there's good news and bad news about the upcoming election.

The good news is one of the two candidates is going to win!

The bad news is one of the two candidates is going to win!

Tony Rome, move over--I soon may be your next door neighbor.

Gary

Some interesting stats here (of course, if you don't like them, feel free to label them liberal propaganda ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

So, only 18% of people in the States have personal incomes over $100,000.

But they are doing a GRAND job of persuading at least another 33% of the American voters (what they'll need for a majority) that a tax hike on those that make $200,000 a year will be against these lower payed Joe's interests.

But, I guess as long as you keep dropping education standards year by year, this kind of math may be beyond Joe Sixpack's capability

Look, if the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy HAD have been good for the country (and not just the rich) we would not be in the mess we are.

Everybody on this forum that makes over $200,000 a year hold up your hands...

Yep... didn't think so.

People like to vote the American Dream. But then they have to go home to the American Reality. And that, for all but the top 20%, has been getting grimmer and grimmer

This is where people are uneducated (thanks to our public school system)

I will make this as clear as possible.

John earns $1,000,000 a year because he worked hard and created a business hiring employees, he might have a maids come in a couple times a week, and gardeners, he eats out three times a week, helping those who own and working in restaurants, he buys new cars every three years, helping salesmen and service employees earn an income He paid 39% in taxes $390,000. One guy pays $390,000 a year!! One GUY!! Because he worked hard and maybe went to school

Now Joe Six pack makes $50,000 a year working for John. He pays in 10,000 in taxes He has enough to make a mortgage payment and buys a used car and may raise a small family. He uses credit to buy more than he can afford. Not for food. But for toys and stuff.

The Government under Mc Cain gives EVERYONE a 10% Tax cut That's fair.

JOe gets $5000 of HIS money back
John gets $100,000 of HIS money back

This is what liberals call GIVING money to the rich. They aren't giving anything those people did not generate on their own!!! They are getting their OWN MONWY BACK! Why do liberal believe its not THEIR money the government has and spending as they please.

John paid more so naturally he gets more back. Now John has another $100,000 to expand his business and hire more people, eat out maybe three times a week

IF you Instead RAISE Johns taxes another $30,000 he maybe lays off an employee, doesn't eat out much, keeps a car for 6 years. A lot of employees suffer. Not just his, ANd John has NO incentive to grow his business and maybe even sells it before Capital gain taxes are rasied (Like Wayne Huzinga is currently doing before Obama gets in office. Yes he is selling a major stake in the Dolphins to avoid paying 25% in Capital gains THIS IS TRUE)

70% of this country are paying for 90% of all taxes collected. 50% pay nothing!!!

I don;t see where taking more from the rich will help the poor. That's welfare, Thats the government saying "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" - Carl Marx

NO thanks.

Get rid of the NEA and make all schools private and give people government vouchers to choose the school their kids go to. Watch how the free market makes smarter students.

NO Obama will never be on the Currency But I have no doubt His face will be on the Food Stamp. He is a smart guy and speaks well (when prompted) Make him secretary of housing.

Kingfrog, unless we ever can agree (on both sides of the aisle) to go to a flat tax system, it will never be fair. The great majority of corporations and individuals making a million plus are paying little if any tax -- not the 39% you illustrate. And Sarah Pahlin has been an executive of a state that has one-fifth the population of the COUNTY I live in. So I'm not buying the logic that she's ready.

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And sorry, but your idea of 'fair' might have made sense if the last eight years of Bush hadn't already reduced the burden on the ultra wealthy (still no word from you as to whether you actually put yourself in that top quintile) at the expense of the middle classes. The largest transfer of wealth from the middle and lower classes to the top 10% since the 20's has occurred under Bush's watch. If that's your idea of 'fair', you are sadly on a different plane of existence to the rest of us.

Obama isn't trying to bring about the Worker's Paradise in this country. Far from it! He's a Democrat, not a Socialist (not sure you get the difference, though).

He;s just trying to get the tax burden rolled back to where it was under Reagan (you know, that damn Trotskyite you all hate!)

If that burden was 'fair' under Reagan, it's fair now.

Talk about the United States of Amnesia!

I apologize for hijacking this thread.

Maybe we should move it over to the BAR because it's about time US citizens get their heads out of the sand and show some deep passion for the issues facing this country and our brothers and sisters.

I am in the 18 percentile and make a good salary based on statistics. I did NOT get a stimulus check.

What the statistics don't say is that I support a family of 5; two kids in college, live in the highest taxed state in the union; New York; pay high energy costs, transportation/commuting costs; health care costs, property taxes, sales taxes, and HUGE income taxes both at the federal and state level. How come I don't feel rich? I'm barely scraping by after my expenses. Why, I can't even afford a brandy new Tyros 3, that's how broke I am.

Statistics do not explain the entire economic impact on families.

I would vote for eliminating the income tax and going for the flat tax. IF a constitutional amendment was added to eliminate income taxes otherwise we would someday pay both.


AS far as PAlin goes. Well Obama has never run anything. Nothing Ndad, not a ten horse town,

Population means nothing.
The bottomline is she is runnig a multi billion dollar budget and 59,000 employees as DID ALL OF THIS ON HER OWN, No help form the RNC. She is far more qualified than Obama and certainly as qualified as any Govenor. That would indicate the former Governor of NY (Spitzer) would be more qualified to run as President based on population.

I can understand how her "folksy speak" can make her seem like an idiot. But she faced down and won against an incumbent in her own party which rarely happens, Then received and distributed money back to the people from the resources from the state, Something a Liberal would never do.....return money to the people? She faced down the Big Oil and got this money from them. She suspended all taxes on gasoline for the people. No she is more than qualified than a guy who has pretty nefarious friends and speaks with a gilded tongue who uses EFX on his voice to make the One sound like the SON of the One,
The youth are easily manipulated.And most the Black population is voting based solely on race. most of both groups would not even know who the Sec of State is if asked....

Someone can make great speeches when read off a teleprompter makes them qualified? What has Obama DONE? Really what has he done? Represented ACORN? Community organizer? Well that makes AL Sharpton a great candidate. What has he accomplished? we have no access to any school records or his Thesis, We do not KNOW who Obama is. Except that he probably got an A in public speaking...but couldn't get a security clearance to join the FBI based on his past and recent associations with Bill Ayers,

IM not crazy about Mc Cain but I KNOW Mc Cain. He has more than proved himself. I KNOW Palin's record.I KNOW what she has done, I Know most of those she governs sees her in a favorable light, More than ANY other Governor including Rhode Island.I don;t KNOW Obama. Obama won't even release ANY transcripts from his school!HE has not been vetted by the heavily biased press.

Yeah he speaks (preaches) to the ignorant using emotion rather than experience. God help this country if the trio of Pelosi,Reid, and Obama runs this country without controls.

It's a shame we have no independent press in this country given the Pew Report.

For the lowly sake of pete are not there enough poltitcal garbble pasted all over televisions!..new KB comes out and the lying
"I shall save the U.S. with MY all powerful plan" remains believed!Where ever does one go who needs much escape go to hear about ty3.

I agree Corporations don't pay tax. As long as we live in a Capitalist society they will never pay taxes no matter how much of a tax burden the government puts on them. They will as always pass those down to the consumer. The consumer will choose not to buy at some point but it won't matter because they will be working until JUNE just to pay THEIR taxes. All this money going to a Government!! The Government has proved over and over again it is not a good guardian of that money. Oh and if the rich don't pay taxes it's because they are INVESTING the money in tax exempt bonds and or are using that money to EXPAND their business hiring more employees.

I would love a flat tax of 25%. But that would make people whine that those who make 10 million a year get to keep 7.5 Million....Boo Hoo. But I want a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment against all income taxes and NO deductions. NONE.

The Federal Government should only be involved in protecting and defending the nation, to uphold and legislate from the constitution. Not legislate from the bench. The States should be responsible for the schools.

Obama does not want to redistribute WEALTH. He wants to redistribute INCOME....HUGE difference. Don't fool yourself the upper income bracket is paying 70% of ALL revenue going to Washington already. That's not fair in a free society. All should equally pay a percentage regardless of what they earn.

The Estate tax should be a crime. A farmer leaves 1 million worth of land to his son who is forced to sell the land to pay death taxes. on top of the taxes that have already been paid over the years on the land. That's socialism at it's best. You don't want to see the worst...but you may.

Which is the better plan:

Candidate A:
Opposed extending 2003 Bush tax cut law through 2010. Supports eliminating marriage penalty and extending child tax credit. Proposes a "making work pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. Proposes eliminating income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 per year and eliminating all capital gains taxes on start-ups and small businesses. Says he would reform the child and dependent care tax credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for child care expenses. Favors tax cuts for middle-class workers and tax increases for top earners. Says he would restore the top two income tax rates to their pre-2001 levels of 36 percent and 39.6 percent. (Currently, they're 33 percent and 35 percent.) Says he would maintain the estate tax but would freeze the estate tax exemption amount at $3.5 million. Proposes to create an "American opportunity tax credit," which the Obama campaign describes as "a fully refundable credit" that "will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans and would cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university."

Candidate B:
Voted against 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cut laws, but later voted in favor of extending tax cuts through 2010. Says he would keep the current rates on dividends and capital gains, and maintain the current income and investment tax rates. Says he opposes a proposal supporters call the "Fair Tax," which would repeal income taxes and other taxes and abolish the Internal Revenue, but has previously said he would sign it into law as president. Says he would double the child deduction from $3,500 to $7,000 and permanently repeal the alternative minimum tax. Says he would reduce the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. Advocates raising the exemption from taxation on estates up to $10 million while cutting the tax rate to 15 percent. Proposes that a three-fifths majority vote in Congress be required to raise taxes. Says he would permit corporations to immediately deduct the cost of equipment investment. Would prohibit new cellular telephone taxes and ban Internet taxes. Wants to establish a permanent tax credit equal to 10 percent of wages spent on research and development.

Candidate A: is the ONE, at least according to Ophra Winfrey anyway. And Candidate B: is John McCain of course.

Here is an example of an ethnic "minority" talking about the ONE.

"I think Obama is good at telling the American people what they want to hear but I have a feeling after the election there will be a different story. I get it and understand what it is like but that is why we live in a free country and are allowed to make our own decisions. I don't want the Government running my life! We all have the same opportunities, in fact, minorities have more opportunities. My mother was on welfare, I grew up in the inner city, moved out on my own when I was 17 and supported myself through college. I worked hard and now as a single person I am being punished because I am considered rich by Obama standards. I am by no means rich but upper middle class and what is wrong with that? Spreading the weath by giving those who have the "same opportunities" tax breaks?? Tell me what is my incentive if I am penalized for working harder and making more money when I see money handed out to those who went a different direction in life than I did? You think the economy is hurting now. When you take away, people spend less. When you raise taxes on property sales, the real estate market slows down. When you force employers to pay for insurance, they pay less. How about a 20% tax across the board, wouldn't that make more sense? I just want to be treated like everyone else and given the same benefits but that won't happen either so I will only hope for the best and not the worst for the next four years."

If you think the last 8 years under Bush were bad, wait and see what happens if THE ONE gets elected. With the Dems in charge of the presidency and both houses under Pelosi and Reed and with the possibility of a veto proof majority with no override you will be able to see firsthand the definition of: "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" come to pass before your very eyes. God forbid... And God forbid if I didn't speak up and tell everyone within ears reach of the dire consequences before it happens - if it (God forbid) does happen.

Kingfrog hit the nail on the head when he said "we don't KNOW who THE ONE really is. He's a smooth talker no doubt, but that's when he's in front of a teleprompter reading lines written by someone else i.e. his script writers. Get him one on one with no cheat sheets and the guy stutters, hems and haws, and barely can put two words together without the interjection of uh.. oh.... um, after every other word or so. He came out of nowhere, rose to political power with the help of his shady character friends, got elected as a State Senator of Illinois, and who, for the most part, was a "part-time" politician who never accomplished much at all during his 8 years in the Illinois Senate. For example, he never brought forth any legislation of real worth and when voting on the Senate floor voted 129 times as "present", which essentially is a NO vote. Many of the bills where he voted "present" were bi-partisan in nature and is a fine example of his "unwillingness" to cross party lines to get things done. Unlike McCain who has done so (crossed party lines) ever since being elected to the U.S. Senate - in 1986.

The ONE then got elected as a U.S. Senator where he spent less than 175 days (and authoring ZERO legislation) before making his run for the presidency.

Thanks but NO thanks. I'll stick with the tried and true John McCain who has put his "Country" first instead of 'himself' over the course of his illustrious and noble lifetime in service to his Country. He ain't perfect (McCain that is ) = OTOH, Dems seem ready to anoint "his majesty" as a purported King or messiah without even knowing who this supposed King really is. And the MAIN reason they don't know who he really is, is because the liberal MSM has not vetted him properly to the public as they should have and instead have fallen for him lock, stock, and barrel while leaving their 'minds' out of the whole "rational" process, of just who this turkey really is and what he will "really" do if elected.

Go chew on that for a while guys and gals and I beg of you not to follow this piped piper off the precipice he is trying to lead you off of - in the name of change. The kind of "change" he is heralding, (as we now know) is nothing short of Socialism at its worst, with Marxism as its center piece and nipping at the heels of his socialistic agenda. Which, by the way, has NEVER worked in ANY of the Countries across the globe that have tried it in the past; nor will it work in the future. THE END.

And so will it be the "end" of America as we now know it in my opinion = i.e. the land of the "free" and the home of the "brave" if the Dem ticket gets into office.

Best,
Mike

PS: I didn't start this political fracas (hmm.. guess who that was?? ) but I'll be darned if I sit idly by and watch Diki make a fool of himself without at least trying to step in and slap some sense into him - and others. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img]


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If 'change' is rolling back the distribution of taxes to those under Reagan, what Republican can fairly criticize that?

Either you are calling Reagan a 'spread the wealth' socialist, or you are just out for yourselves.

The precipice has already been leaped over, by the 'tax cut AND spend' Republicans, who have had a blank check written for them by the guy you Republicans all voted for TWICE. But hey! Third time's the charm, eh?

We need someone that can claw his way BACK to where things USED to be before Washington as a whole decided that the way to make the country wealthy was to make rich people even richer. Ship the jobs overseas, and open our markets (with little reciprocity) to the Chinese, who must be laughing their heads off at us , and the only 'trickle down' appears to be bladder drip... The biggest financial crisis in nearly 100 years has come under the watch of the Republicans, largely as a result of their 'deregulation' fever. But let's keep doing it some more. It couldn't POSSIBLY hurt, could it?

The standard definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Anyone that thinks putting someone in power that over 90% of the time agreed with the guy that got us in this mess will result in a complete turn around needs therapy.

Of course, if you are one of the ones that profited from the corruption and incompetence that created the whole housing 'bubble' in the first place, well, good for you..! And of course, far be it for you to have any responsibility to help clear up the mess

I simply remind you... who's the last President that steered this country to a budget SURPLUS? Yep.. Slick Willy, the Communist (OK, Socialist, OK, Democrat - what's the difference, anyway )

If you want to remain friends as usual, do not discuss politics or religion....and don't get me wrong by posting this.

I choose #2

Why becasue when you cut taxes income to the Government grows. Thats a fact proven over and over again. How does that happen? well The corporation KEEPS the money to grow and hire more people who inturn PAY INTO the Government rather than TAKE FROM the government

BTW Mc Cain voted AGINST the tax cuts ONLY because there were NO SPENDING CUTS to offset them.(Of course they don't tell you THAT PART) The press and Obama wants you to think Mc Cain was against tax cutss. He is against SPENDING. You cannot cut taxes and raise spending. I would have voted against a tax cut that did not include spending cuts too. You cannot have it BOTh ways. Thats what I like about Mc Cain he is reasonable.

Nationalize Medical insrance and wait 3 months for an MRI. My wife gets them in a DAY if the doctor orders one. Canadians flock to Detroit and the US for immediate medical care. People will make TWO car payments totalling $800 a month and claim they cannot afford medical insurance...Their priporties are messsed up/Health care is no a right. Never was. Ask a smoker or an obese person if they should pay MORE for healthcare. Bet they say no because no one wants to take personal responsibility for themselves.

They want to Government to do it all. I hear Cuba is anice place to live.....at least Michael Moore thinks so.


Oh and as far as Clinton goes, the country was ALREADY cmoing out of recession and MOST of that growth came in his second term when the Repulicans had the house and Senate. He totally ignored 3 attacks on the country and 9-11 was planned under his nose right here in this country while he was getting BJs from interns in the White House....YEah lets go back there.....

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Friends.... here....?

You are talking about the forum that certain members feel free to call other members 'arrogant frustrated old man' or other personal insults, because they lack the education to argue and discuss things in a civilized manner?

I know who are 'friends' here. And I know who aren't...

Politics is not as an inflamming issue than a keyboard on this forum. Just goes to show where our passions truly are.

I like Mc Cain. Mostly because I don;t KNOW anything about Omaba. What I do know gives me pause. I would have rather seen Bill Rihcardson ot Mitt Romney on the ticket.

I'm squarely in the middle with leans both ways, But in the end I vote for the person regardless of Party platforms. In this case it's Mc Cain in 2013 it might be Hillary or Huckabee (whom I sent a donation to)

Anyone that doesn't know anything about Obama has simply not bothered to educate himself. Of course, where the heck would we be if the electorate was educated?

If you can be bothered to learn your own candidate's positions, you can be bothered to learn the OTHER guy's. Or it's not democracy. Democracy is choice. And choice, without information about the choice (other than what ONE candidate feeds you) is not choice at all...

It is slavish devotion to a Leader... and any German can tell you where THAT can lead you...

No one in this country has a more slavish devotion to a "leader" than Obama followers. Mostly youth who could not tell you who is in the cabinet of the current President.

Thanks God I don;t NEED an OBAMA Presidency. I don;t need a handout, a tax break, socialized medicine. People who vote for the "One they have been waiting for" will be the first to whine about what they find out is the real Obama.

I for one would LOVE to see his Thesis college transcripts as a perspective "Employer" Why have they been locked up?

This is a fundamental question ANY employer would ask of someone applying for a job. Yet people are voting for Obama because they hate Bush. Not becasue they KNOW Obama.

No one KNOWS Obama based on OBAMA'S words
No one knows anyone based on their words. They know pwoplw based on their ACTIONS.

I have seen Obama's actions. The ghetto he supposedly was trying to help is still intact in Chicago, He has done NOTHING in the Senate, no action there...

He made a speech....and took no stand on anything by voting "present".That's all he has done to put him where he is now with Bushes help.

Well you guys who love this Emperor without clothes deserve Him. Pelosi and Reid...Gonna be fun to watch. Doesn't affect me either way. I'm voting for the guy who has a record and who's life is an open book. My conscience will be clear when the shyte hits the fan.....

So you are returning the tax break you got under Bush?

That's very honest of you. Nice to see someone with principles...

I have no issue paying more taxes IF the money was spent to reduce debt, increase business rather than just given to someone who never earned it.

If I earned what I earned during the tax break years I would be affected. But I don't earn enough to worry about any tax increase and our home and everything we have is paid for. We moved all our investments out of the market when Obama was nominated and put it into Tax Free Munis, Bonds and our favorite Savings Bank ING..LOL. Obama cannot hurt us. But he will hurt those who are much younger nieve and still in the work force and/or God Forbid starting a business. We prepared ourselves for a Democratic President,Congress and Senate and looking at what has happened in the market, we are not alone. We just saw the bus coming a little earlier than most. We lived through the Carter years. This time we are ready.

Somehow I don't think Obama's welfare plan is going to help anyone. I certainly don't need a $1000 check and I don't think those who could use his "welfare handout" will have their lives changed by that check. But hey it's buying votes from those who's hands are stretched out the farthest.

Show me one time in history where raising taxes ultimately increased income to the Government? What it does is keep money OUT of play. Business has no incentive to expand. Investors have no incentive to invest in those business. They would rather collect 4% tax free than pay 25% of cap gains that are rare during high tax and spend leadership.

Bush cut taxes but he increased spending. That's why we are where we are today. Not to mention the "give a home to everyone" mentality in lending. Another Democratic idea gone bad. Thank you Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Bill Clinton!!

There are many examples of raising taxes causing less revenue stream to the Government. I will bet no one has ever received a steady income from a poor man.




[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 10-30-2008).]