Hammer just going by what Im told by many that bought one & then were disappointed.
Im sure some will be happy with it for certain personal needs...but this time around the T3 is less then the Bees Knees.
I hope you enjoy it big time & hope to meet you also at the jam in January also.

good luck.

I find it even more amusing to read your posts from the past Donny"Flavour of the Week"Pesce.

At least brand fanatics like Fran and I are consistent...you are consistently inconsistant.

You say it "like it is" only when it suits YOU, Donny, or it suits your situation.

In spite of my alleged "brainwashed Yamaha posts", I do "say it like it is" regarding other brands that I have played, and give credit where it is due.

But unlike you, I comment only on the ones I have actually played(with the exception of Wersi and Lointracs),not empty comments based on other people's opinions, including yours.

Play a Tyros3 and then comment...stop wasting everyone's time with your rhetoric.

Ian

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[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 10-22-2008).]

I've been watching this topic with great interest. I believe Scott Yee summed it up best you gotta demo the board. I know the hype of this board has got me itching to play it. I'm busy again this weekend and can't make the trip to Frankieve's store. Maybe the weekend after.

In the meantime,every night during the past week my routine has been sit and play the Korg, then move over to the Clav CVP 307 and play the same tunes. I'm doing this so I have a good frame of reference when I play the Tyros3, that is how much better is Tyros3? ( I expect significant improvement) But so far let me mention, that when I play the Korg it's so much more alive ( you know the old in your face drums argument). However, when I move to the Clav and play some of my favorite swing/jazz/big band, I just love the feel of the styles on the Yammie, it just feels more natural and better to play.

Here's where I believe that's going to help me make a decision. When I get to Frank's store, he should have the Pa2xPro as well. I will play both instruments thru my Bose Tunnel Port Headphones, if I don't hear a significant difference between what I hear on the CVP 307 and the Tyros3 then I most likely will not make the purchase. Naturally I will compare the Pa2xPro. I need to demo the board, that is the only way I'll get a true answer. Based on what I've read to date without playing the T3 and the mixed opinions here and other forums, I would not purchase the Tyros3. But then again I have not played it, in a week that could change. Now let's see which direction is the wind blowing today.....


[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 10-22-2008).]

I truly believe it is the styles much more than the instrument that makes us decide to like one arranger over another...

If the styles are great, who cares about much else...?

Thing is, just as all of us have different tastes in music, we all got different tastes in styles. Some of us like them full and busy, with little room for anything but a melody, some of us like them simpler, to allow us to comp and melody, some of us like them so all we have to do is sing over the top...

Some of us like hiphop, some like swing, some like bossa, others like country. All of them tend to be better at one style than another. Add this to how well each one suits the style of play we prefer, and it's no wonder none of us can agree about anything!

If all were equally great in the style department, there'd be a lot less hand-wringing..! Trouble is, often a manufacturers style philosophy isn't tied to the sounds that express it best, or one arranger's bossa's are great, but the styles are too busy, and so on and so forth...

There will never be one perfect arranger, because there are so many different, almost mutually exclusive needs. Until the day comes when you can tell your arranger 'Hey! Guitarist! Play a little less busy... And drummer! lay into it a bit more on the chorus... and change to a Gretsch kit for this one', we are all at the mercy of the manufacturers...

We talk so little about music, what we play, how we play, why we play, what we like, that it's no wonder we never agree about anything. Until you know what a plyer likes, musically, until you know how well he can play, it's next to impossible to figure out what he needs.

All we end up doing is telling them what works for us (but seldom WHY), and assuming it SHOULD work for them... Guess again!

There will never be one perfect arranger, because there are so many different, almost mutually exclusive needs. Until the day comes when you can tell your arranger 'Hey! Guitarist! Play a little less busy... And drummer! lay into it a bit more on the chorus... and change to a Gretsch kit for this one', we are all at the mercy of the manufacturers...

Diki,

I disagree. We are not at the mercy of the manufacturers, but instead, we are limited by our own creativity, or the lack thereof. There are an enormous number of options right there at our fingertips, but very few people are willing to take the time to explore them. You can beef up, tone down or turn off any sound within any style. It just takes a little time and a bit of creativity. Those not willing to invest both in any brand of keyboard will not reap the benefits.

Cheers,

Gary

[This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 10-22-2008).]

My opinion:
You can play a great job on any of the top brand keyboards if you have the talent. Yes we do have preferences but the ability to make the keyboard work well and talent to play/perform is where the success lies.

Make a list your criteria based on your desires and needs and match them to your choice. To knock the other brands shows little understanding that you only have an opinion based on your list of criteria and nothing more. Change the criteria for choosing and your opinion has little value.

Not to insult anybody but I love thinking about buying a new keyboard and I read this forum every day – Why can’t we post information that will help the other readers. (like myself) -- If you list five bad features also list five of the good features giving us a full picture. If you can’t find any good features then your mind is closed and the opinion falls short of helping others.

None of this is reflected on the enjoyable fighting that goes on, that’s always good reading.

Again, In my humble opinion, John c.

Unless you are into style creation, bigtime, and are a whizz at guitar emulation, drum emulation, basically everything emulation ( ), there really isn't a whole lot you can do about a style that is too busy. You see, it's not about turning OFF the part, or turning it down...

Just as in real life, there are guitarist that PLAY busier or simpler, drummers that 'ghost' a lot and fill up the internal groove, while others keep it simple and empty. so different arrangers tend to go in one or other of these directions. Short of creating your own style (and I'm sorry, but everyone TALKS a good game - or at least some do - but few if ANY members here are prolific, high quality style creators) if you can't find the perfect style, you are boned...

Modern arrangers are PACKED with potential, but so few have either the skill, the time or the inclination to utilize it all. Let us be honest. How many amongst us uses all self-created styles? I'm not talking about a minor edit of an existing one. Who makes their own styles from scratch?

Damn few, I'd say. Those that do, I want to hear your stuff!

Diki & in the same thought ....why does anyone need all these fluffy Tyros styles when as many say strip out most parts and just play Lh bass & drums with a RH.....
is it because people are letting the arranger styles do most of the work?
I dont think anyone in the audience believes it aint automated canned?

Scott:

Thanks for that extensive review of the T3. As a songwriter who sings his own demos but never performs or tours, I got the idea that this machine would be a real upgrade/replacement for my 2000. I can appreciate how a mile-a-minute performer like you or Don Mason would not need all the tweaks available but they would be a Godsend to a songwriter.

I spend about as much time "setting up" the board before recording as I do in the actual demo vocal. The 2000 was a great machine for it's time but I'd really like to get my hands on a T3 for a week or two just to kick the tires and experiment with some of the "voices." (Why in the name of Heaven didn't they call them instruments?)

Regardless, thanks for taking the time to explain your opinion of this new board. If anyone is interested in hearing what can still come out of an old 2000, feel free to visit my page. Here's the link:
http://www.showcaseyourmusic.com/DaveRice

Hi Dave, how have you been? Great to see your reply. I hope you have the opportunity to checkout the T3 as I think it has a lot to offer you as a song composer arranger. - Scott