Hello everyone

I just thought I would pass on some info. I just got a call from a rep at Sweetwater and they are shipping the "E" or european version of the new Roland GW-8. Just an FYI.

Brian
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GW8/

[This message has been edited by greenkidd (edited 10-11-2008).]

Great news what about the Latin version?

Ah, not sure but good question. I will find out though. I'm gonna get the Latin version.

After comparing the style types and patches/sounds I've figured out a few things. I've only compared the E version and the L version but I'd imagine the other 2 types follow the design pattern. I broke it down so I could understand what the differences actually are. Hopefully it helps others.

Details here. http://www.roland.com/synth/GW/download.html

Styles
Both the E and L share the exact same style types for 1 thru 130 (Pop Rock,Dance, Jazz/Latin,Traditional). From 131 to 196 is where the style types are specific to the model type.

E= 131 thru 196 World Euro

L= 131 thru 180 World Latin
L= 181 thru 196 World Brazil

Sounds

Essentially same sound set as SonicCell which I currently own.

[Roland GW-8 Tone]
PRESET 1-128
PRESET 129-256
PRESET 257-384
PRESET 385-512
PRESET 513-640
PRESET 641-768
PRESET 769-896
GM2 Capital
GM2 Var #1
GM2 Var #2
GM2 Var #3
GM2 Var #4
GM2 Var #5
GM2 Var #6
GM2 Var #7
GM2 Var #8
GM2 Var #9

The 2 sound banks below of 127 sounds a piece are where each GW differentiates itself for the specific geogaphic styles.

PRESET 1194-1321
PRESET 1322-1420

Cheers!
Brian

[This message has been edited by greenkidd (edited 10-10-2008).]

[This message has been edited by greenkidd (edited 10-10-2008).]

Greenkid, good detective work thanks!

I also wondered how much of a percentage of the overall styles were the same & what % makes it Euro or Latin etc etc ....plus you can always convert and add user styles to make it any way you like also. I hope to play one soon, could be the perfect lightweight backup.

Still trying to find out what the exact presets are for the European version of the GW-8. Also of concern is that currently there are no drivers for Mac OSX...the Playlist Editor and Style Converter as well, though they may be able to be installed on the Mac using WINE (has worked well with some other similar apps).

Michael

Hello

What "presets" are you referring to. The link earlier in thread has Sonar.ins files which can be opened and patch presets can be viewed. Or the Styles PDF has the list of the styles presets. I'm probably missing something.

Here are the GW-8's European Tone Presets, the ones that are specific to this particular model:

[GW-8E PRESET 1194-1321]
0=1194:Accordion 1
1=1195:Accordion 2
2=1196:Accordion 3
3=1197:Musette
4=1198:Guerrini R16
5=1199:Guerrini R8
6=1200:Guerrini R8s
7=1201:Guerrini R4
8=1202:Guerni R16+8
9=1203:Guerni R8+4
10=1204:Guerni R1684
11=1205:Guerni R8+8s
12=1206:OrientOrgan1
13=1207:OrientOrgan2
14=1208:Cimbalom
15=1209:StCimbalom 1
16=1210:StCimbalom 2
17=1211:StCimbalom V
18=1212:Santur
19=1213:Gopichant
20=1214:Harp
21=1215:Kanoun 1
22=1216:Kanoun 2
23=1217:Kanoun 3
24=1218:Kanoun 4
25=1219:Kanoun TrmV1
26=1220:Kanoun TrmV2
27=1221:Kanoun Trm 1
28=1222:Kanoun Trm 2
29=1223:Kanoun Gliss
30=1224:Koto
31=1225:Taisho Koto
32=1226:Shamisen
33=1227:Sitar
34=1228:Kalimba
35=1229:Bouzouki 1
36=1230:Bouzouki 2
37=1231:Bouzouki 3
38=1232:Bouzouki Trm
39=1233:BouzoukiTrmV
40=1234:BozkiChrdMnu
41=1235:St Bouzouki
42=1236:Oud 1
43=1237:Oud 2
44=1238:Oud 3
45=1239:Oud 4
46=1240:Oud SlideV
47=1241:Oud Trm 1
48=1242:Oud Trm 2
49=1243:Oud TrmV 1
50=1244:Oud TrmV 2
51=1245:Oud OrnTrlV1
52=1246:Oud OrnTrlV2
53=1247:Oud Oct 1
54=1248:Oud Oct 2
55=1249:Baglama
56=1250:Baglama SldV
57=1251:Baglama Trm
58=1252:Baglama TrmV
59=1253:El. Baglama
60=1254:EBaglama Trm
61=1255:EBaglamaTrmV
62=1256 ivan
63=1257 ivan SldV
64=1258 ivan OrnV 1
65=1259 ivan OrnV 2
66=1260 ivan Trm
67=1261 ivan TrmV
68=1262 ivan&Baglma
69=1263:TambaBsLong
70=1264:TambaBsStopV
71=1265:TambaBsTrl
72=1266:TambaBsTrlV
73=1267:TambaBPLong
74=1268:TambaBPStopV
75=1269:TambaBPTrl
76=1270:TambaBPTrlV
77=1271:TambaCoLong
78=1272:TambaCoStopV
79=1273:TambaCoTrl
80=1274:TambaCoTrlV
81=1275:TambaOrcTrl
82=1276:TambaOrcBTrl
83=1277:Cumbus
84=1278:Tambur
85=1279:Requinto Gtr
86=1280:Banjo
87=1281:Nylon Guitar
88=1282:Steel Guitar
89=1283:Kawala 1
90=1284:Kawala 2
91=1285:Kawala V
92=1286:Kawala Oct
93=1287:Kawala OctV
94=1288:Kawala Mono
95=1289:Ney
96=1290:Ney Vib
97=1291:Ney VibV
98=1292:Ney La
99=1293:Ney La Vib
100=1294:Ney La VibV
101=1295:Ney V
102=1296:Ney Mono
103=1297:Ney Stac
104=1298:Ney StacV
105=1299:Nay
106=1300:Nay Oct
107=1301:Nay OctV
108=1302:Frula
109=1303:Frula Trl V
110=1304:Frula Mono
111=1305:Fujara
112=1306:Fujara Trl V
113=1307:Fujara Mono
114=1308:Quena
115=1309:Flute
116=1310:Sicu
117=1311:Shakuhachi
118=1312:Mizmar 1
119=1313:Mizmar 2
120=1314:Mizmar Dual
121=1315:Mizmar V
122=1316:Mizmar Mono
123=1317Mizmar Trm
124=1318Mizmar TrmV
125=1319Arghool 1
126=1320:Arghool 2
127=1321:Arghool Mono


[GW-8E PRESET 1322-1420]
0=1322:Zurna 1
1=1323:Zurna 2
2=1324:Zurna V
3=1325:Zurna Mono
4=1326:Zurna Vib
5=1327:Zurna VibV
6=1328:Habban
7=1329:Tulum
8=1330:Jerba
9=1331:Shernay
10=1332:Gajde
11=1333:Pungi
12=1334:Shannai
13=1335:Bagpipe
14=1336:Klarnet
15=1337:Klarnet Vib
16=1338:Klarnet VibV
17=1339:Hichiriki
18=1340:Oboe
19=1341:OrClarinet
20=1342:OrClarnetVib
21=1343:OrClarntVibV
22=1344:OrClarnet5tV
23=1345:Orient Sax 1
24=1346:Orient Sax 2
25=1347:Orient Sax V
26=1348:OrntSax Vib
27=1349:OrntSax VibV
28=1350:OrntSax 3plV
29=1351:Breathy Sax
30=1352:Alto Sax
31=1353:Flugel Horn
32=1354:XP Trumpet
33=1355:Truba
34=1356:Latin Trumpt
35=1357:LatinTpt Vib
36=1358:LatinTptVibV
37=1359:Brass Oct
38=1360:StrSect
39=1361:StrSect Stac
40=1362:StrSect Pizz
41=1363:StrSect Trm
42=1364:StrSect TrmV
43=1365:StrSect StcV
44=1366:Str PizzVStc
45=1367:Oct Strings
46=1368:JV Strings
47=1369:Fiddle
48=1370:Folk Vln
49=1371:Folk Vln Vib
50=1372:FolkVln VibV
51=1373:Rabab
52=1374:Kemane
53=1375:Kemane Vib
54=1376:Kemane VibV
55=1377:Kemance
56=1378:Kemance Vib
57=1379:Kemance VibV
58=1380:Kemance Duo
59=1381:KdzKemance
60=1382:Fingered Bs1
61=1383:Fingered Bs2
62=1384:Picked Bs
63=1385:Slap Bs Pull
64=1386:Slap Bs Thmb
65=1387:Slap Bs V
66=1388:MelloChoir 1
67=1389:MelloChoir 2
68=1390:Bonang
69=1391:Gender
70=1392:Gamelan Gong
71=1393:JP Strings
72=1394:SlwOBStrings
73=1395:St SlwOBStr
74=1396:PulseWave 1
75=1397:PulseWave 2
76=1398:PulseWave 3
77=1399:SawWave 1
78=1400:SawWave 2
79=1401:SawWave 3
80=1402:SqrWave 1
81=1403:SqrWave 2
82=1404:SqrWave 3
83=1405:80sTechLead
84=1406:Juno Bs
85=1407:SH-101 Bs 1
86=1408:SH-101 Bs 2
87=1409:Bass Invader
88=1410:TambaPrimTrl
89=1411:TambaPrmTrlV
90=1412:Truba+StopV
91=1413:Cimbalom 2
92=1414:Guerrini R8a
93=1415:NylonGuitar2
94=1416:Fingered Bs3
95=1417:PeakArpSine2
96=1418:JupiterLead2
97=1419:Naked Lead 2
98=1420:Evangelized2

Michael

From what I can see..., (unless I completey missed it) ALL of the GW-8 models will have the "western styles" covered, but each model has an additional set of sounds and styles "outside" of the western set that tailer to a specific region.

Basically for those of us in the US that want a western version.., well we got one, but it appears that model for the US will also be the latin version and on top of all the weestern styles will include an additional set of styles and sounds for latin music. Perhaps Roland is taking advantage of the fast growing hispanic population in the US. That's totally cool with me though because personally I'd rather have the latin version

I don't agree with the latin version being the only one assigned to the US. Why can't we have a choice? I'm very sure that many here would want the GW-8(E)as well.

My friend is dropping his off on me for a few days...

I'll report back once I've given it the once over...

Will it be the latin version? I'm very interested in this one. I've had my eyes set on a new Korg PA-800 (boy that's a great synth/arranger), but my idea of a reasonable price for a new arranger greatly differs from the wife The GW-8 would make a great arranger to add to my Yamaha and Roland workstations too.

If I can't sweet talk her into the PA-800 it's going to be the GW-8 for me. I'm really hyped about the sound engine on the GW-8 too. They've changed SO much on this model compared to the GW-7. With all the changes to this model it's hard to tell it's in any way related to the GW-7.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 10-11-2008).]

Well, I'm in the US, so isn't that all that's available here?

Soon find out, anyway...

Opinions vary as to the authenticity of the Latin styles, some are not impressed... some are

Sadly, we're both (my friend and I) Mac users, so I have no opportunity to try out the style software and playlist editor.

Details soon, anyway...

I wasn't sure if your friend was lucky enough to find a model other than the latin version.., that's why I asked.

I posted this in another thread but nobody responded. I guess this is why I'm a "lurker", nobody responds to me. This a just a joke folks,my weird sense of humor. The videos are in French with a lot of talking but I just fast forward to the music sections. Here is the link. Sounds pretty good to me. http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/gw-8

I am curious if anyone else has tried Roland Style Converter 3. I attempted to convert a Korg PA800 style but kept running into the following program change based error.

• In this SMF (chord 'chord'), a PC (number 'program change') exists on measure 'measure,' beat
'beat,' tick 'tick,' while a note is still playing on MIDI channel 'channel.'
Meaning: For the SMF of chord 'chord,' a program change 'program change' exists on MIDI channel 'channel,'
located at measure 'measure,' beat 'beat,' and tick 'tick.'
Action : Either move the program change, or move the note-off to a point earlier than the program change.

I am interested in determining how labor intensive it would be to convert styles from my Korg PA800 to a GW-8.

thanks
Brian

[This message has been edited by greenkidd (edited 10-11-2008).]

Three really good GW8 demos!!

Thanks for the heads up & link


Daniel Deruytere really has some great chops, excellent !

donny



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-12-2008).]

finnaly, a real demo for GW8!!! definitely sounds good. but i am not sure it sounds better than my E60... does it?

Here are the extra Tone presets for the GW-8 Latin keyboard (I recognize some of the presets from the SRX cards used in the Fantom series, etc):

[GW-8L PRESET 1194-1321]
0=1194:Flamenco&Gtr
1=1195:Studio 12Str
2=1196:Sweet Nylon
3=1197:Steel Rhythm
4=1198:SoloSteelGtr
5=1199:N'Ville Soft
6=1200:Spruce Top
7=1201:High Strung
8=1202:No Borders
9=1203:ResonatorGtr
10=1204:Ac.Gtrs SRX
11=1205:Solo RequGtr
12=1206:Loose Nylon
13=1207:AcousticBros
14=1208:Natural Tele
15=1209:Right Funky
16=1210:FastRotrySRX
17=1211:BackingEGSRX
18=1212:Cavaquinho
19=1213:Mandolin
20=1214 istance
21=1215:128voicePno
22=1216:US EP
23=1217:RS Crystal
24=1218:Cheese Organ
25=1219:Hush B3 SRX
26=1220:Tenamos L100
27=1221:GoodLord/Mod
28=1222:CabnetSeries
29=1223:Absolute B3
30=1224:Rotary B3
31=1225 yna Organ
32=1226:Perky Twin B
33=1227:Touchy B Fst
34=1228:B3Sermon SRX
35=1229:La Musette
36=1230:Cajun
37=1231 .Accordion
38=1232:SquezeBoxSRX
39=1233:Squeeze Box
40=1234:St.AcdOp SRX
41=1235:AcdionOp SRX
42=1236:Acd ffOp SRX
43=1237:St.AcdCl SRX
44=1238:GuitarnBsSRX
45=1239:GtrrnOct SRX
46=1240:Low Bass SRX
47=1241:SH-101 Bass
48=1242:16th SeqBass
49=1243:GW Strings1
50=1244:GW Strings2
51=1245:Motivation
52=1246:SlowEpic Str
53=1247:Quartet SRX
54=1248:Marcato
55=1249:JV Strings
56=1250:Warm Strings
57=1251:St. Strings
58=1252:String Ens
59=1253:Bright Str
60=1254:RS Violin
61=1255:RS Violin Vb
62=1256:RS Viola
63=1257:RS Viola Vb
64=1258:RS Contra
65=1259:RS Contra Vb
66=1260:Vn+Va+Ct
67=1261:Vn+Va+Ct Vb
68=1262:ErHu Ld SRX
69=1263:ORC full+BD
70=1264:GiantOrchest
71=1265:OrchStaccato
72=1266:Uillean Pipe
73=1267:FluteVibrato
74=1268:Legato Flute
75=1269:Breathy Pan
76=1270:SingingFlute
77=1271:RS Flute
78=1272:Pop Brs Sect
79=1273:LatinBrasses
80=1274:Trumpets /Fl
81=1275:Trumpts/Shak
82=1276:Trumpts/Doit
83=1277:Fiesta brass
84=1278:Trombn Sect.
85=1279:Lo Brass
86=1280 iminerBrass
87=1281:Switch Fall
88=1282:Mariachi Tp1
89=1283:Mariachi Tp2
90=1284:MariachiTpts
91=1285:Latin Trumpt
92=1286:Majestic Tpt
93=1287:Romantic Tp.
94=1288:Snake Eyes
95=1289:Shake Tp.
96=1290:Tp. Rom/Mar
97=1291:Tp. Mar/Shk
98=1292:Twin Tp.
99=1293:Twin Bones
100=1294:Bones & Tp.
101=1295:RS Trombone
102=1296:Twin Tromb.
103=1297:Tuba /
104=1298:Tuba Stacc
105=1299:Mild Tuba
106=1300:Bones & Tuba
107=1301:Barely Bari
108=1302:Sax Sect mp
109=1303:Saxx-shun
110=1304:SuperTnr SRX
111=1305:RS Alto Sax
112=1306:Blown Tenor
113=1307:Sax Section
114=1308:Soft Jup' LD
115=1309:Sine Vibrato
116=1310:JP8 PulseLd1
117=1311:JP8 PulseLd2
118=1312:SquareLead 1
119=1313 ance Vibes
120=1314:LFO Strings
121=1315:3D-Space
122=1316:On&On&On
123=1317:Sugar Keys
124=1318:Atmosphere
125=1319 -50 Stack
126=1320:Fantasy Vox
127=1321:Fantasia JV


[GW-8L PRESET 1322-1336]
0=1322:4 x Saws
1=1323:Alpha Waves
2=1324:Climb Maj7th
3=1325:Brite Flange
4=1326:JP-8 Str 1
5=1327:JP-8 Str 2
6=1328:JUNO Strings
7=1329:JP-8Haunting
8=1330:1 2 3 4 SRX
9=1331:Voices SRX
10=1332:Fun WithPerc
11=1333:Harp StrPad
12=1334:Hot Salsa
13=1335:SplitThisSRX
14=1336:Qu DiEnsembl

Tonight I will try and install the GW-8 software on my Intel Mac using WINE and report back on if it works!

Michael

Michael


[This message has been edited by ocomain (edited 10-12-2008).]

Adi, having owned the Sonic Cell and Juno G..I agree there is not much difference ..if any between the E-60 sound engine and the Sonic Cell engine, found in the Juno's and the GW8..

GW 8(Brazil version) will be available in my local Roland Dealer next 28th.
Price: 23% minus than E 50.
I am thinking to trade my E50 but I couldn't find the scats voices in GW8 voice list what is an important lack to me.

Considering the harder navigation (without touch screen a lot of operations via menu), I have some indecision about this trade.
May be E 50 continues as companion of my E900.

Chico, what is a E900?

All the GW-8 software appz run perfectly on the Intel Mac using WINE. For more info about WINE see:
http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX

I find it much easier to use a product called Macintosh Explorer when working with the Window's files created via WINE. It's a file browser for the Mac that is similar to Windows Explorer:
http://www.ragesw.com/products/explorer.html

I still have to figure out how to copy the Window's executable files (or shortcuts) for these various programs, so they can be placed on the Desktop, Dock, or Applications Folder in the Finder. Shouldn't be too hard! Besides using Bootcamp on the Intel Mac, I love being able to run these simple Windows programs on the Mac side without having to run any virtualization software. Awesome!

Michael

Fran:
"May be E 50 continues as companion of my S900." is right
Regards from Brazil
Chico

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 10-13-2008).]

WINE or other Intel Mac emulators are only good if you have an Intel Mac...

Sadly, my friend and I are still devoted to our older G4 Macs. Sure Don't feel like buying a $1000+ Apple just to run a voice editor...

Roland need to make a Mac native editor PRONTO. A lot of musicians have these kinds of computers