In my interest in possibly upgrading to Tyros3 (from T2) I discovered reading the Tyros3 Owner's manual Yamaha's continued missing feature improvement: pathetically low (3.2MB) internal flash ROM memory.

Yamaha's Music Finder is a potentially powerful feature allowing us to store and quickly call up one's entire song repetoire (many 100's of songs). MusicFinder only allows you to store a style and tempo for a given song, but on top of that, the style MUST be located in the keyboard's PRESET or USER areas only. Unfortunately USER area TOTAL memory is only 3.2 MB which means room for only 20-30 user styles. I've complained about this & made repeated requests (since Tyros1) for future models to include a LOT MORE internal flash memory but Yamaha doesn't seem to understand the importance of providing more than 3.2MB of internal flash memory, or allowing the Music Finder to link to styles in the HD or USB stick, or adding a MusicFinder feature to link its records to Registration Bank File, which would call up all settings stored in Reg such as: transpose settings, voices selection, split point, etc.

I participated in a focus group and even had a one on one recorded video consulting session with Yamaha Corp expressing these concerns yet Yamaha Japan has continued to ignore these requrests. Certainly a dissapointment (for me).

Scott

Scott not good news I feel your pain!

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Hi Scotty,
I just about gave up on the MFD for the same reason - I use a lot of third party styles and on my PSR3000 if I fill up the USER area strange things start happening to the keyboard. I use thumb drives for all my "gig disk" type songs and it works just fine. In fact, I am now using a smart card and it is faster then the thumb drives.

Seems like we could have gotten at least a gig of users memory on the T3 though.

I still like what I have heard and seen of the T3 and will probably replace my 3K as soon as I can get a T3 shipped to me.

Hammer

Scott my friend, there are several other good choices besides Yamaha that will do what you want.
DonM

Interesting comment... Why they can't fiquire out how to better utilize a harddrive baffles me.

Very frustrating indeed. I can get over not having 76 keys, but not being able to better utilize the potential of the machine hardware is baffling.

Steve......its a matter of the Home players needs versus the Gigging pro ......they'll go where the money is every time ya just gotta mix & match & choose your gear for YOUR own personal needs wisely for sure.

Hi Don: I hear ya Though I'm still quite happy with my current T2 KB setup , I'm definitely keeping my eyes and ears open to ALL KB brand/model options out there, for the next keyboard that's gonna: "fly me to the moon".

Scott

Exactly. If you are gigging with the Tyros you may want more room for user styles. In fact the Korg PA2x is a MUCH better choice all around for gigging. For Home Recording I am all over the Tyros though.

There are a lot of other choices,. Yamaha does things as they see fit for their market. They consider the Motif the gigging market and the Tyros the Home market.



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20-30 Styles?? Scott, what kind of Styles are you putting in your Tyros? My style collection ranges in size from 20k to 85k. I won't argue with you about whether or not Yamaha could have or should have increased the user memory. I don't know what the reason for the limit is, or what the cost would've been to increase it. But, I just loaded up the T3 with Styles and I managed to fit 470 Styles in it before I ran out of memory. I imagine you've got other data in your User Memory beside styles. Most operations allow you to get and put data on the HD or the USB device, so maybe you need to rearrange some of your data. I know what a pain that is, but, let's figure out how to solve your problem without an increase in user memory, because I can't give you that. You know my # Scott, call me when you have a few minutes to talk.

Steve Deming

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Hi Steve. First off, sorry for the erroneous info I gave. Here's my actual T2 USER Memory maxed out contents with breakdown:

Styles: 92
Reg Bank Files: 11
Songs: 0
Multipad: 1
Voices: 5

My Tyros2 USER Memory obviously holds more than I originally stated, but it's still FAR less than I desire as my song perf reptoire includes over 800 songs which utilize customized styles (including custom OTS/ often linked to TVN voices). That said, I'd be happy if my keyboard USER MEMORY could hold even 200 styles, so surprised to learn that you're able to store 475 styles into your T3 internal flash memory.

If T3 only includes 3.2MB (3,276.8 KB)internal flash memory (of which it states on page 113 of the T3 Owners manual) then the MAXIMUM number of styles storable would be 65 styles (if 50KB each). If you're able to fit 470 styles then T3 USER MEMORY would be more like 23MB, not 3.2MB, so I'm hoping now that Yamaha may have indeed answered my request for substantially more INTERNAL FLASH MEMORY and that the 3.2MB given to be merely a typo in the T3 manual. I certanly hope this to be the case. Steve. Please check into this more to confirm. Many Thanks - Scott

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Steve Demming,

Please clarify: I can only fit about 60-70 styles in my USER style area on the T2 - and its not enough. On my Pa2x, I have 20MB of flash memory and I have yet to reach the limit...

If you are putting 470 styles in your T3, could it be there's a printing mistake and the T3 has more flash memory than advertised?

Please clarify. This is an important piece of information for many of us...

My apologies. It is absolutely 3.2Mb. There is some kind of a pointer system in use when copying to factory styles to internal memory. I'll update you guys when I know more but suffice it to say, it fooled me and I gave you guys incorrect info. There is no way to get even 100 "external" styles into the User drive.

I am now pushing for an update to allow the Music Finder to access Styles from the harddrive. If I hear anything, you will be the first to know.

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I'd shoot for whatever storage medium has the fastest access time... if that's the USB stick drive, go for that, if it's the hard drive (although I doubt it... access and seek times in particular can make those slower than sticks) go for that...

Or just make it so ANY attached memory can be accessed by the MFD

BTW, G70 has 50MB flash RAM, with about 25-30MB free for the user... and a PCMCIA card slot that is exactly as fast as the internal (where I have 4GB attached )

I hate to be a nit picker Steve but the way you stated the internal memory for the T3 i.e. = 3.2Mb, the actual internal memory of the T3 would be a total of = 400KB.

I realize it was just an oversight on your part but can easily be misinterpreted by those who are knowledgeable of computer language terms and their meaning and read into it accordingly. The way it should be written is: 3.2MB i.e. Mega 'B' "Bytes" NOT 'b' Bits, as the way you wrote it.

Again, sorry for being a nit picker but it is important that "everyone" really understand the "true" amount of the T3 internal memory instead of a typographically incorrect one, even though most of us here on the forum understood what you meant.

Best,
Mike