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#239433 - 08/06/08 07:33 PM Re: Chony hows the Korg Pa2x working for you so far?
chony Offline
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Registered: 03/10/04
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Loc: New York
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Originally posted by miden:
LOL, yes you should!!!

The songbook couldn't be easier..

Dennis


Is there a way to make the songbook ignore global locks, whereas performances use them? When using performances, I'm most interested in the sounds and settings but not in the style changes. When using songbook, I would want an all encompassing change that includes style, transpose, tempo, etc.

THanks

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#239434 - 08/06/08 08:08 PM Re: Chony hows the Korg Pa2x working for you so far?
miden Offline
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Chony, Global Locks are Global locks and nothing overrides them. If you need to have things change on a performance by performance basis, or a song by song basis or even a style by style basis you need to have the appropriate lock disabled.

Example, I have everything unlocked except Style Preferences (accessed via MENU in style mode) The other lock I use is the FILL MODE so I can control where the fill leads for all styles.

Everything else is unlocked as I set up the entire keyboard to suit my style and methods. So I need these all to change as I have them set.
I doubt there is one style on board that is still at the factory settings!

What gets confusing is EXACTLY what each lock actually locks.

I don't mind helping you guys as far as I can, but this is getting to a long thread and this stuff really should be getting posted in the Korg Forum.

So any further questions, just post there and I will do my best to help you.

Dennis

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#239435 - 09/15/08 10:17 AM Re: Chony hows the Korg Pa2x working for you so far?
Kingfrog Offline
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Registered: 03/24/08
Posts: 1099
Loc: Myrtle beach SC
Quote:
Originally posted by chony:
Wow, a thread just for me? I'm honored!

Yes, I did get a Pa2x, largely on an experimental basis. I know that Yamaha is coming out with a T3 in a few months, but everyone who I speak to seems to think that Yamaha will never change their sound, so I decided to try the Korg. If Yamaha does come out with a keyboard that packs some punch in its sound, I'll be glad to change back.

So what do I think of the Korg? It's a different animal to the Yamaha. I was extremely disappointed in the beginning because everything seemed so backward. In the end I had no choice but to read the manual cover to cover and I've found that the Korg has some amazing advantages over Yamaha just like Yamaha has some over Korg.

Here's a quick observation at the risk of offending everyone:

[b]Build:

Yamaha wins hands down. The buttons are large and well lit. The keyboard is built well and comes with a full color large screen. Korg has none of that.

Ease of use:
Yamaha wins handily here. Yamaha puts the important buttons on the panel; on Korg they are in the system. It's not easy to copy and paste on the Korg, applying effects is a nightmare, and the list goes on. However Korg has many more intricate features that a professional would use which is especially noticeable in style creation. However they also have an abnormally unnecessary intricate file system which is very limiting.

Sound:
Overall Yamaha has a good sound if you're recording a CD. Korg is much better if you're using a sub and looking to move a dance floor. Although on the spec sheet Korg has less sounds than Yamaha, it really has much, much more. Yamaha says they have more than a thousand voices, but they hide them all in XG and GM folders because they're not good enough. Korg has just under a thousand voices, but they are mostly usable and easily accessible. It's a pleasure to see that Korg has over ten different, great sounding pianos, whereas Yamaha has only one. The only think I miss from the Yamaha is the brass and saxes. Drums, pianos, bass, synths, Trumpets, accordions, acoustic guitars, Korg wins. Sax, Brass, flutes, and distortion guitars Yamaha wins. However the drums alone is a very serious reason to think about dumping Yamaha. Although I hear they will change it on the T3, based on the depressing samples they've put out so far I'm not convinced they will be any better.

Style Creation:
Korg wins hands down. It is much easier to make styles on the Korg, you have many more options, and they have an AMAZING guitar mode for recording guitars that would make any Yamaha owner salivate. Yamaha SA is a joke compared to Korg Guitar mode. Some of the great options include importing styles from a MIDI file, and being able to make up to 6 different variations per variation based on the kind of chord you're playing. That gives you up to 24 variation in a single style if you're into that kind of thing.

Space:
I think its important to note that Korg has 20MB of user flash memory, and Yamaha has only 3MB. This 3MB is largely responsible for my lack of creativity lately on the Yamaha, because I have no room to store my new stuff anyway and saving to and accessing from the Harddrive takes long and is a pain in the neck. That said, on Korg you only have around 400 spaces for custom styles; on Yamaha there is no limit.

Voice Harmony:
Korg uses the TC Helicon which works, and works well. Yamaha uses I don't know what, and it doesn't work.

Styles:
I haven't really listened to the Korg styles, I've been too busy making my own. But overall they are much simpler, but much more powerful. However the Korg has a few mess ups. The fill ins are not smooth, and moving from variation to variation is a bit screwed up too as it doesn't go to the first measure of the new variation.

Registrations:
Korg has something called performances which kind of works like a registration setting, only that registration settings are much easier and more practical to use. On Yamaha, you only save to a registration what you want. On Korg you save the whole freaking keyboard and then have to navigate through a truckload of menus to lock the things you don't want - and those locks apply to all performances. On Yamaha you only program the things you want, and if you want to freeze even some of those things, you've got an easily programmable freeze button right on the panel.

Overall:
Both Korg and Yamaha have advantages and disadvantages. Although I'm trying the Korg for now, I'm just as disappointed with them as I am with Yamaha. Both companies hate the word "change". They keep making new keyboards with the same problems as the previous models. For example, Yamaha still hasn't created a normal drum kit, and Korg still hasn't worked out how to stop scratching its right ear with its right foot. And that screen on the Korg? That's plain embarrassing.

Well, that covers the basics...

Chony

[This message has been edited by chony (edited 08-04-2008).][/B]


WOW Exactly my sentiments and I was comparing t the T2. I never did read the Manual cover to cover though. Far too much to deal with.

I bought the Korg because I felt it was a better workstation as well as an Arranger than the T2. But I found it easier to record tracks into the T2 and then upload the MIDI and or Audio date to the PC.

Soundwise..Yeah I tried hard to love the Korg (hell I lost $400 on it in four months) but in the end the Yamaha sounded more like the real instruments in far too many cases. But yes We will have to buy a REAL vocal Harmony box. Digitech has a great one as wel as TC Helion (who when asked by me, claimed at NAMM the technology in the Korg was not its best or most recent of theirs)

Now with the T3 I have no doubt for our needs it will be the choice.
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#239436 - 09/16/08 07:20 AM Re: Chony hows the Korg Pa2x working for you so far?
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 2580
Loc: Ocala, FL USA
When the OS2 comes for the PA2XPRO, I will load it and evaluate it....Especially the new DNC sound functions. Then I will go to Sweetwater Sound ( 10 minutes from my house)have them pull a T3 from the box, set it up in a nice room for me. I will spend the better part of a full day playing it and checking out the sounds in DETAIL. If the sounds are truley amazing and all the problems of the sounds on the T2 are FIXED, then I very well may buy it that day and sell my PA.

Those are big if's....

I absolutley hate it when orchestrial sounds have issues on a arranger...like differing timbres note to note, vibrato that varies a lot note to note etc. These are problems cause by sloppy sound work on the mfg. part an it ruins a performance of slower ballad/love songs type of music.

Pro synth player would not tolerate that crap...I guess on arrangers they (Mfgs.)say it's good enough for those home keyboard players??

Lee
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