After waiting for weeks I finally received the Korg Pa2x today from Frank. Unfortunately a few keys were broken. Apparently something fell on the box. Didn't even get a chance to take it out of the box.....Bummer. Friggin Fed Ex.

[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 05-13-2008).]

Hi,
how totally dissapointing.
Hopefully it will be sorted out soon.

best wishes
Rikki
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Ughh...how disappointing. Hope you get a quick fix.

OUCH I feel your pain. Last year when I bought the G70 that I eventually sold, the screen had been damaged in shipment by UPS. Very frustrating. Hopefully until you get it repaired you'll still be able to get familiar with the board. And you purchased from a terrific dealer.

On the chance that you are likely to order a nice flight case for the PA2XPro anyway, why not buy it from the Korg dealer, and have it shipped in THAT, next time...

Well I managed to pull some strings and there will be a replacement going out Friday.

Also I was just informed that I just hit #1 Korg arranger dealer in New England, knock on wood, hopefully it wasn't a fluke and I can keep it going.

I wanted to thank all of you that have taken a chance and bought from me. ( sounds like an awards show )
and exit music starting

Frank....A well deserved Honor....CONGRATS!!

Thanks,

Maybe I can do the same with Yamaha and KEtron?

hint hint hint,

My phone is not ringing? what are you guys waiting for.

LOL

TYROS3, ROLAND GX90 & AUDYA ?

I wouldn't buy a road case just to have a keyboard shipped. They are shipped all the time. How do you think GC and all the music stores get them. However when single boards are shipped they are not all nicely shrink wrapped on a pallet and are touched my many hands.

I hope no one thinks any less of Frank at AudioWorks. This was not his fault at all. Totally a luck of the draw in shipping via UPS or FedEx..In fact Frank was extremely accommodating. Working in a music store myself I know these things can happen. I think what really was surprising is the force of whatever fell on the keyboard did so much damage yet the box showed nothing out of the ordinary.

Well at least I have a manual to read. LOL.
Another few weeks won't kill me. IM still writing and gearing up the Studio. It took me more time to sell all of the keys and modules the Pa2X is going to replace. A work in progress since last Fall.......

Kudos to Frank at AudioWorks...Number ONE Korg Dealer...

I purchased my Pa800 & also accessories at different times from Frank also & it was received here in Excellent condition.
Frank always goes the extra mile to accommodate his customers he is Strictly ACES!!

This is my exact point... Shipping just ONE keyboard in a box entails FAR higher risk than several at a time. Add to that that, unless the keyboard is destined for a studio or home use ONLY, you are going to get a case for it anyway...

Why not get it now, and ship it in it?

Why risk this happening again, if you don't HAVE to? JMO...

Soon as I sell my Tyros 2 I'll be calling you about a quote for a Pa2x Pro. Are they still backordered?

Looks like they are trickling in,

Should be 1st or 2nd week of June

I always take care of forum people.

So, any news on a PA2X pro successor? If so, I'd buy someone's 2X for live and keep the 800 as the backup

Kingfrog..you're gonna love the PA

They've only recently started shipping the PA2XPro, and already we are asking about a successor?

What an impatient lot we are! I can't wait for news about the T4. Anyone want to sell their T3...?

Dittos on Frank.

I purchased my 800 and Music Pad Pro from him.

Great prices and service.

This is my exact point... Shipping just ONE keyboard in a box entails FAR higher risk than several at a time. Add to that that, unless the keyboard is destined for a studio or home use ONLY, you are going to get a case for it anyway...

Why not get it now, and ship it in it?

Why risk this happening again, if you don't HAVE to? JMO...

In terms of "risk" its a rare event.

My wife gigs with a 50lb Roland RD700 and has never had a case for it. She can barely move it as it is. I won't buy a case only to have it sit in an attic in the rare event of damage caused by shippers.

I don't use cases either in my gigs. I loosely strap the keyboards to a small hand truck.

I built a light two piece removeable carpet covered 3/4" ply wood "tunnel" for the keyboard to slide under in the car so I can load things on top of it.

The bottom line is keyboards are shipped every day all across the world and this is an extremely rare event which although could have been prevented by the purchase of a case which will not be used enough to warrant the cost. However I don't buy Extended Warranties either....LOL I live dangerously I guess. Keeps the blood flowing. But I don't whine and ask for special favor when things go wrong either.

My thoughts exactly. The 2x is on perpetual backorder. Why would Korg even consider a 3X yet?

When any product is launched, its replacement is already under development.

Bill

And the current model needs to be sold for long enough to defray the development costs, and provide a nifty profit for the company, otherwise there won't BE a 'next model'!

Korg are exceptionally good at updating their OS's for new features, rather than the Yamaha way of perpetual incremental model improvements (with no upgrade path for prior models), so I would not be holding my breath for a new Korg for quite a while...

How long ago did the PA1XPro come out? That's about how long you are likely to have to wait for the NEXT Korg TOTL.

You missed my point......I want the used stuff

Who, in their right mind, is going to sell a used PA2XPro UNTIL the PA3X comes out?

I think you missed mine (it was a joke!)

Pa1X Pro: 2003
Pa2X Pro: 2007
Pa3X Pro: 2011 ?

Its gonna be a long wait

Read more here

Kind regards,
Tommy

PA2X Pro (in the USA): 2008
PA3X Pro (US): 2012

And those used prices won't drop too much until a successor arrives. You might have better luck trading in the PA800 (as it is still very current and well received) for a PA2X Pro, if you really want one...

Nah, I'd keep the 800 in my studio and grab another one, or a 2X, for live.

If Korg doesn't beef up & really aggressively stock their style libraries very soon on par with Yamaha & add additional factory styles there will be many PA units available for sale & trade, I predict.

Frank

Congratulations you certainly deserve the honor!!

I doubt that. there is a whole lot more to the PA2X than styles. Yamaha needs the stayle library becaue thats all it depends on. The Korg has so much more going for it. I don't expect to see any used ones soon. People have been waiting for new ones.

The PA800 has been around awhile and you don't see any used on Ebay while you do see tyros 2 going for $2000...

kingfrog that's because the T3, Roland Gx90 & Audya aren't out yet...Korgs dominance will fade soon after they are on the market .....just watch.

Korg is far from dominating any arranger market...I think a reality check is in order.

You don't see PA -800 on e-bay, because not that many were sold in the first place!

Add to that an OS that takes a bit of time and dedication to learn, and you have those who purchased holding on to them after such an investment...I can't blame them.

The style library for Korg is vastly inferior to Yamaha...that's a fact...there are many people looking for Yamaha conversions for their Korgs.

Since a lot of Tyros2 were sold, it is no wonder there are some on e-bay...especially with the Tyros3 nearing launch.

Korg seems to attract the techies...they like the synth end of it, but as an arranger, it is still not quite up to the standard set by the Tyros2.

The Tyros3 will raise the bar even higher.

Ian

Where is this Roland GX90 BS coming from?? there is NO arranger replacement for the g70.

It is a dead duck.

ok if you say so

Ian great post I totaly agree with you....this next round of arrangers is gonna be a doozie

Yep, it looks like an exciting year ahead...especially if Roland produce another G-series (the G70 is officially out of production).

Ian

yeah well DNJ the same back at you...its definitely coming ..."if you say so"!!

I don't need wanky smilies

Ian....Rumors DO Come true

Let's hope so...competition always improves the breed.

Ian

It's nice to see you two boys playing nicely.

It might be the medication.

LOL!!

Dennis,

I've been using herbal tea, but, if Donny's recent smileys are any indication, I'd say prayer has been his conversion.

Ian

Amen!!! rotfl

Tea and Prayer hey?

Might have to try some of that!!

i like the tyros I sell them. However I am one of those people who want a workstation/arranger and the Tros is basically a great playback instrument for styles and little else. The harmonizer is an afterthought there is not XLR mile input or phantom power. The Home user does not ask for these features. The digital output on the Korg is another pro feature the Home user would never use.

The Tyros is made and marketed for Home use. Thats who buys the ones we sell. People who don;t want the cabinet of the Clavinova,

Yamaha sells the majority Tyros to mostly non pro home users and they do not care for the 76 keys. They could buy the same thing in an 88 key fully weighted wooden keyboard if they really wanted that. The Tyros is easy to use and well supported. I would not call it a Pro keyboard in any way next to the PA2x. It does not have the "Pro" features like the Oasis ans Motif seriers. The Korg does.

You won't see too many Korg being used in the home. Its far too deep, complicated and has many features the Home user would not know what to do with and fewer styles to choose from. Yamaha cleaned up the Clavinova face to make it appear less complicated. They know their market.

Having the Korg I decided to get the souns of the Yamaha I do not have I would be better served to buy an X6 Motif rather than an S900.

Actually Kingfrog, that is my system, well nearly!!

I run the PA1xPro with a Motif ES Rack.

Works pretty well too!

Ya know in my recent focus on arrangers I forgot about the rack version. I certainly do not need another keyboard around here.

We have 2 RD700s, An XK3, a Yamaha Baby Grand, the Pa2x and I Just ordered a Casio Previa for the wife to do a gambling boat gig because she cannot get someone carry the RD700 up 3 flights of stairs. The Casio Previa 320 is a nice board for the money and dirt cheap for what you get. Yamaha doesn't have anything close for $700. Just the P-85.

So how do you like the rack? Does it have the Sweet and SA sounds of the Tyros? We don't have them so I am at a loss as to what they have on them.

I must have missed something...You guys seem to know how many of each type of arranger/per manufacterer has been sold... which web site do we go to to get that info?

Would that include all the ones sold in every country of the world?

Thanks,
Lee

Hi Kingfrog,

It's a very sweet sounding instrument!!

It only has very limited Mega voices included, but with the guitars and basses, in particular, I don't reckon you need them as the Motif ES ones are, the best I have used in a SMF situation and for playing as standalone sounds.

The drums are super as are the strings and brass.

I am at present working on getting the PA to play the sounds of the motif instead of the onboard ones for styles.

I have just got to tweak several multis with set configs and then tweak the styles to transmit just note info.

Initial experimentation is so far positive....

But TCALSS in answer to your q, it is excellent..The only thing better would be an XS rack!!!

Dennis

I can only speak for Canadian sales...I talk with the dealers quite often, and that's where my info comes from.

Ian

Does anyone know if the motif rack XS (the new one) has the Tyros SA and sweet voices?

Ian, with your contacts, I bet you could find out for us?

Lee

Dnj,
I actually had already downloaded the specs, and the data list.

In the daa list it does not even say a thing about the EA voices. some voices say 'sweet', none say live none say EA or SA.

based on all that we can't figure our anything about the sounds.

Ian, please call or e-mail someone for us... I for one would like to know how the XS rack (not ES) compares to tyros 2 sounds.

Thanks,
Lee

I sell both the Tyros2 and the Motif XS. If the rack is like the keyboard, which I've been told it is, the voioces in the Motif are very similar to what's in the Tyros2 with the exception of the breath noise assigned to a switch on the Tyros2 and some of the other pedal options found only on the Tyros2. I've AB'd the Motif XS keyboard and the Tyros2 and I can tell that many of the same voice samples are in both models, and some sound exactly the same and some have been changed even though the samples might be the same.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

I asked this question a while back... 'Would a MotifES/XS play back a MIDI file of Mega voices derived from a Yamaha arranger?'

I was informed that they are sufficiently different that they could not do this...

I wanted to use a Motif Rack with my G70, and use MIDI files of Mega guitar playing derived from T2 and S900 styles to add to the G70's SMF palette. Strictly for SMF's, Roland's cannot do Mega voice styles via MIDI (T2 translations, etc.), because it involves transposing only the PLAYED notes, not the control notes outside the normal range (Roland's transpose the entire track to follow chords).

Now, if anyone has some actual, real life, personal experience to contradict this, please speak out. In simple terms, has anyone taken a Yamaha arranger SMF of Mega style playing, played it into a Motif (rack or keyboard, it doesn't matter), and had the Part play correctly?

Diki,
I think you are correct, that will not work. Neither will using a stock Motif rack ES or XS (new one)to play Yamaha styles Mega or not as they are not XG compatable. Styles using GM will work.


There is a XG PLG expansion card you can get on a ES, but I don't know if it would work seemlessly on Yamaha styles. I beleive in a non-mega environment it will, but I have not tested it. I was told by Yamaha the new XS does not have XG.

I am interested in MIDI up a Motif Rack to PA2, but have not done it yet. I only want to use it for solo sounds not styles.

IF the sounds are like T2, I will get one.
Lee

Lee, because the PA1 can only transmit 16 channels (even though there are 2 outs), you need to run the midis from an external sequencer.
Here is the direct quote from Korg.....

Q) Can I use the two Midi In ports to control more than 16 parts on the Pa1X?

A) This is not currently possible. The two sets of MIDI ports are meant for the following:

* connecting two different expanders to the Pa1X. This way, for example, you can send the drum track to a sampler, and the organ track to a dedicated organ expander.
* connecting two master instruments to the Pa1X, for example a master keyboard and a MIDI accordion.
* using one of the outputs as a MIDI THRU port, while still keeping a MIDI OUT


You would logically have the upper set to transmit on whatever channel you want so you can play the sounds of the rack, BUT because of the limitation of only 16 out channels, you cannot actually send any program changes over that channel from the PA, because it is not actually available for the sequencer to use (its being used by the upper section and is transmitting just note info) hence the need to change the rack patch for that channel from an external source.

The transmission of patches from my PA to the motif rack is something I am working on..To set up the correct bank/patch numbers on a user sound on the PA, and then have those correspond on the rack in its user sound section..Still not sure if I can get it to work as yet, so I just use my laptop to drive all the smf data, and also use it to change the patch info for the channel sued by the PA to play the rack.

BUT, I do not know for sure if the midi setup is the same on the PA2...so none of this may apply to you.

In my view this is a very serious limitation.

If they are going to put in 2 outs and ins it SHOULD mean 2 sets of 16 channels.

Dennis

[This message has been edited by miden (edited 05-23-2008).]

Hi Dennis,
For what I do , it's already fairly good.

I am already using the PA2 to control both a Kurzweil PC2R rack module and the EMU Emulator X II Softsynth in my PC. I would like Tyros SA and some of the other voices(sweet etc)!
Motif Rack XS?????

I have several user voices setup to play these MIDI modules.

I am only using them for RH and LH voices, not style channels.

Example: Right voice 1 is set to send on Channel 1. It sends all te necessarry MIDI data including bank/program change to stup the externoal module as soon as you select the user voice.

This is one reason I have the PA. You can't even do this on the T2. (I still have the T2 also)It won't let you assign a MIDI bank/program change to a user voice (However it will send the pre-setup data out)

Actually the PA2 has pretty good MIDI capabilities, even though I have ask Korg for more (like having the sliders be assigned to and be able to send any MIDI CC I want.

I did a little test with MIDI OX to see which buttons & controls send out on MIDI, If you want a copy I can send it to you(or anyone else wanting it).

What I want the XG & mega voices for is so I can use my Live-Styler SW arranger to play Yamaha styles if I want. I do that now but I would like a better sound source for those sounds.

If only I had a Tyros 2 MODULE! I would have the best of both worlds. Anyone know where I can buy one???? HaHaHa....

Lee

Hi Lee,

Cool that you got your system working like that!! Sounds sweet...

As to the XS rack, they have probably got some of those voices but just call them something else.

I have noticed that some of the ES rack sounds are remarkably similar to those that were on the tyros, but went under totally different names..I can't remember them now, and I didn't note them at the time , just noticed them in passing so to speak.

And wouldn't a T2 module/rack be the absolute bomb!!!

Dennis

[This message has been edited by miden (edited 05-24-2008).]