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#233882 - 05/11/08 01:35 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Well i know why Yamaha is concentrating effords on the home market...


A tyros sells for much more money then an 88 key weihted Motif....
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#233883 - 05/11/08 03:57 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Bachus:
Well i know why Yamaha is concentrating effords on the home market...

A tyros sells for much more money then an 88 key weihted Motif....


Correctomundo.

Very small market for pro arrangers and a very small market for pro 76 note arrangers.

In this case "home" is where the money is...not the heart.

Yamaha's 88 note weighted action arrangers, the CVP series, are doing quite well...of course, they are "home" instruments.

So are the 88 and 76 note YPG-series(DGX in Canada)...again, "home" instruments.

It will be interesting to see how Korg's PA2XPRO does in the market place, and even more interesting to see if Roland makes a 76 note G70 replacement...rumors abound that there will be no new E-60 or G70 and that Roland will concentrate on 61 key arrangers only, leaving the 76 notes to the workstations.

Again, only rumors...but sometimes where there is smoke...

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#233884 - 05/11/08 04:30 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Korg covered all aspects with the PA1x as it came in 2 versions, 1 which had 61 notes and inbuilt speakers (PA1x) and 1 which had 76 notes and no speakers. (PA1x Pro)
As the 61 note version sold more then the 76 note version, there is no reason to believe that Korg will not do the same with the PA2x.

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#233885 - 05/11/08 04:46 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Bill,

If the PA2xPRO is the only "new" 76 note arranger this year, it will surely do pretty good, having no real competition.

What do you think?

Ian
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#233886 - 05/11/08 05:58 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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...rumors abound that there will be no new E-60 or G70 and that Roland will concentrate on 61 key arrangers only, leaving the 76 notes to the workstations.

Ian


I love that rumor

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#233887 - 05/11/08 06:18 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
[b] ...rumors abound that there will be no new E-60 or G70 and that Roland will concentrate on 61 key arrangers only, leaving the 76 notes to the workstations.

Ian


I love that rumor

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Probably nothing to it, Donny...I can't see Roland not making a new G-series.

Ian


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#233888 - 05/11/08 06:36 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Its the 61 key part that I like

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#233889 - 05/11/08 06:39 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Aye , overhere in europe the E60 is even selling better then the e50...

Which indicates that we're not the only people realising that 76 keys have so much more use...

With my little neffew looking for a keyboard, i contacted an old friend of mine that also teaches keyboard classes, He advises his pupils to go for 76 keys if possible, and he's not the only keyboard teacher that does so...



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#233890 - 05/11/08 06:47 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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The E-60 and G70 are not doing well here in Eastern Canada.

Only one E-60 and one G70 were sold here, which is strange, as they are fine instruments.

Keyboard/piano teachers in my area recommend 88 note weighted action...it is needed to develop finger strength, which will suffer if a semi-weighted or non-weighted keybed is used.

Of course, arranger keyboard only lessons would not require any more than 61 keys.

Ian

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#233891 - 05/11/08 10:07 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Bill,

If the PA2xPRO is the only "new" 76 note arranger this year, it will surely do pretty good, having no real competition.

What do you think?

Ian


If the PA2xPRO does not have the sounds styles and OS that people want, then whether it does well or not would not be a result of it being 76 keys but more its internal workings.

It is the same thing that is happening to Roland and Yamaha. If the G70 is not doing well it is because the sounds styles and OS is not what persons are looking for. The supposed Tyros success (61) is because persons like the sounds, styles and OS not because it is 61 keys.


Most piano teachers recommend an 88 key real piano. If that can not be had then they recommend an 88 key digital keyboard.
Most of the time those are not options because of price and space. So the compromise and what is recommended is a 76 keyboard.

As we all know you get the most use with an arranger 76 key keyboard and it helps the beginning player find his or hers interest whether piano playing, organ, strictly keyboard playing or arranger playing or being proficient in all of them.
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