I just may break tradition, and buy a silent slab one day.......IF it sounds as good as it looks. Anyone hear it yet?

Hear what?

Unlike all the clamor and speculation on the Tyros3, the new G-series arranger doesn't seem to evoke much interest, or at the very least, some musing on what Roland connoisseurs expect or hope for on the G-70's replacement.

Ian

Ok, now you've done it. You've opened Pandora's box with your NEW ROLAND G remark. What do you mean by NEW? Did Fran put you up to this? What do you know that we don't know? What are you hiding? IS it really new and does ity weigh any less than a G70? Is it a 76 key E80? SPILL THE BEANS or suffer the consequences.


Cass

Ian its just that speculation at this point for Yamaha & Roland's new arrangers .......lets just wait and see shall we. At this point Im very happy with the sounds on the 3 big guys....all I'm interested in is better less repetitive Styles, better quality features like VH & most of all NAVAGATION to operate them as "separately & independently" as possible.

Just curious what the Roland users want on the next G-series...we've already discussed the upcoming Tyros3 to the point of exhaustion.

Probably no one is that interested....and that's okay....just checkin'.


Ian

Ian for me not too much from the great G70 & what is has now but add....

LIGHTER Weight
Same G70 keys ....61 keys or 76 keys choice
Independent simultaneous mode operation
Adjustable angle display screen
On Board speakers
Front DUAL USB ports
Many more & customizable D Beam choices


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I think UD is talking about the new "Fantom" G keyboard if I'm not mistaken.

Best,
Mike

but it wont be long for the new Roland G90 arranger incorporating many of the Fanthom G features watch the video demo whoops!
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=918&ParentId=83



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Sexy? Dave you GOTTA come back to Kentucky. We can do a duet of the "Todd R" song "we gotta get you a WOMAN!".


"Redneck" Russ

Right on, Donny.
I could live without an adjustable screen or onboard speakers, but the rest of the list is about it.

No doubt some or most of the Fantom features will be on the new G-?? arranger...I'm curious if any of the new voices will be Roland's version of Super Articulation voices.

Audio to USB and MP3 playback seem to be obvious inclusions, but what about styles? More parts/variations...more interactivity?

Ian

I doubt (and hope!) that very little from the FantomG will make it to any mythical G80 arranger...

Virtually NOTHING from the FantomX made it to the G70 other than the underlying engine (very fast response and 128 voices and a slight change in effects architecture) and some of the basic samples, including the superb Ultimate Grand, renamed GrandX.

You have to understand that for all but the PA series, these arrangers are NOT based around their WS counterparts. There is next to nothing from the MotifES line in the Tyros2 other than samples, either... And, in all fairness, very little from the Oasys (other than engine and a few samples) and M3 in the PA2XPro. It is still based squarely around the Triton's architecture.

The thing I think most Roland users are looking forward to is a RETURN to some tried and tested behaviors from the very successful G1000, along with the best in it's current OS, such as the Cover Tools, Makeup Tools and new OTS implementation.

What are the touted features of the FantomG? An 8-track audio DAW, and some very intricate modeling of the Rhodes (and little else)... It's not exactly on my front burner of features to have! The sampler section is still (like ALL hardware samplers) too slow for practical arranger use. Possibly some of the loop-slice features might make it to the arranger division, but somehow I doubt it. Despite Ian's contention that the Yamaha's are the 'real' home keyboards, Roland's OS and feature set is FAR more geared for those that DON'T need to be encumbered by samplers, loop-slicers, and a plethora of 'pro' features that few home users will use.

This of course is absurd, as they actually BUILD them for the 'pros', but leave out all the juicy stuff Yamaha waste on their 'home users'

I'm sorry, but the FantomG is NOT sexy, at least in my eyes... It's your mother, dressed up in your teenage daughter's clothes!

And Ian... You should be ashamed!

Imagine confusing something about the Roland FantomG for something abut the G80

I hope you recover soon, and can get out of the house. It's driving you crazy!

Next you'll be telling us that, because Tyros3 and MotifXS both have the letters 's', 'o' AND 't' in them, that the XS's features will get ported over, too!

Get better soon, my friend....

Cass....I hope some of these features come to market....it wont be very long for sure get your wallet ready

Wow..... yes, I mean the Fhantom G that was just released yesterday. Looks cool on paper, haven't had time to hear it ....... and Russ - You may BE RIGHT !!!!!!!

Hi

I have just got the Fantom G7. I recorded a demo with a E-80 midifile. Im playing the solo-sound.

Season In The Sun

Niels

Dave get bored with the Pa800?

How does compare this midifile played on a G-70 ????

Niels thanx for posting your work I enjoyed your renditioning of this song. Good luck with your new unit.

Hi

Dnj, Thanks. The Fantom sounds IMO like a dream.



You can hear the E-80 midifile at http://shop.rolandkeyboardclub.com/music_shop.asp?fInstrumentId=8&fProductGroupId=2

Regards Niels


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Bored? Naw .... I love this thing. I just like the looks of that Fantom - I have no other hobbies!

mmm.... the drum sounds seems too much General Midi drums... I prefer the E-80 drums, feels more "live"... the Mp3 quality of the roland demo is really bad however... too much compressed.

Niels your very welcome....May I ask what drove you to purchase this unit....You also have an arranger KB also, no?

Ok Dave I just thought the "BLUE" was gettin' to ya

To quote Frank the tank:
"I love you, Blue"
Good times, good times.....

Did you mean Fantom-G? instead of roland G?

Roland Fantom G6-7-8.
I just played one ... I was right it IS sexy (looking). Not for me though - I'd buy a Nord, or a Motif first. It's pretty, but very, very Roland. Nothing groundbreaking in sounds to my ears. The recording section seems cool, but again - not what I want.
It's a nice board, but not new enough to get me excited.

User interface and 24 trk recording is good, but sounds -the same.

I would take triton x treme(not M3) or motif XS anyday.

Well, I went to Roland's site, listened to all the demos and watched the video... (and listened to Nielshs's demo)

I'm sorry, but I can't get worked up about this one at all. First of all, you know the thing they are touting the most? Glitchless patch changes... We've had that on Roland arrangers for years, including the G70. You occasionally get a glitch when an effect is changed (their main point, I guess) but with planning (what you have to do to get it on the FantomG as well, anyway!) you can avoid it, too. But basic tone change without the cutting off of the previous sound has LONG been the strong point of Roland arrangers...

Strike one...

Next... a 128 track internal DAW, with a mouse for control. Jeez, guys. C'mon! Anyone who needs a 128 track sequencer for audio/MIDI has already GOT one, with a great big honking monitor (not some little TFT 10" non-touch screen) and more plug-ins than you can shake a stick at...

Strike two!

And only TWO ARX slots (compared to SIX SRX slots on the FantomX) with only two boards available, both of which are dedicated to ONE SOUND EACH... So there goes your expandability....

Strike three... You're outta here!

Strangely, the audio examples of the main grand piano sounded very phase-y, kind of weird, but the video of it was VERY nice, but not THAT much better than the FantomX's main piano (in the G70, too). The new 88 action looks nice, but not to lug around!

And Nielshs's demo... sorry, but even with the 3-band compressor squeezing the E80 version a bit hard, it sounded better OOTB than the FantomG, IMO... I am sure with tweaking, and maybe the ARX drum board, it could be made to be better than the E80, but OOTB, sorry. Not very impressive.

If someone wanted to give me one of these, or a MotifXS, I'd probably pick the XS...

Hi Diki

The int. drums in the Fantom are better than the ones in the E-80/G-70. Maybe you don't like the drums in my demo, but it's a matter of taste. The Fantom OTB sound compared with my G-70 is much better. With my Fohhn Experience PA system hocked up the Fantom blows the G-70 away.

Niels

I have uploadet a new version with a new drumset, bas, piano and guitar.

Season In The Sun