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#230979 - 04/04/08 11:14 AM Re: Tough Decision
Diki Offline


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I thought you knew, Ian... ALL arrangers are 'home' keyboards.

As I've said many times, this is a topsy turvy world.

Roland make very 'pro' arrangers (if you just compare build quality to equivalent WS's), with very 'live' sounding samples, especially the drums. But they put a VERY 'home' OS in it.

Yamaha, OTOH, build arrangers that are DEFINITELY built to 'home' standards (no-one even MAKES a WS with such flimsy construction!) and have a 'home' orientation to the sound, nice and CD-like, but the put what is possibly the MOST 'pro' OS out there in them! Samplers, synchronized SMF and style playback (how many 'home' users use that?!), very advanced chord recognition systems, and a host of other things few but really advanced players and pros would ever use...

Topsy turvy...!
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#230980 - 04/04/08 11:18 AM Re: Tough Decision
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I thought you knew, Ian... ALL arrangers are 'home' keyboards.



Of course I knew, Diki...but there are a few skeptics on the forum.

Just reiterating a known fact.

Thanks for noticing.

Ian
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#230981 - 04/04/08 02:16 PM Re: Tough Decision
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BTW, all of this default behavior CAN be changed... It's just it comes this way OOTB.

I guess just in case someone from a Yamaha decides to try one (you know how those 'home' players LOVE their One Finger Chords!)...
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#230982 - 04/04/08 02:19 PM Re: Tough Decision
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1 finger chords is a feature that should be eliminated vs great features like the chord Seq etc, etc, ....1 finger is a terrible crutch that has ruined the education of playing KB music correctly.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 04-04-2008).]

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#230983 - 04/04/08 02:42 PM Re: Tough Decision
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Originally posted by Diki:
BTW, all of this default behavior CAN be changed... It's just it comes this way OOTB.



Let's hope the next G-series is less beginner orientated.

Ian
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#230984 - 04/04/08 03:12 PM Re: Tough Decision
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Nothing wrong with 1 finger chords to get you started, the problem occurs when you never get out of 1 finger mode and so miss out on all the enjoyment. (Fortunately very few stick with 1 finger chords)
Remember there are stacks of users playing keyboards now, (With full chords) which wouldn’t be if they thought that keyboards were difficult to get a tune out of in the first place.

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#230985 - 04/04/08 03:14 PM Re: Tough Decision
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I use one finger ( at a time) when I play bass !
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#230986 - 04/04/08 03:33 PM Re: Tough Decision
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Yamaha offers "multi-fingered" chord as default...it allows single finger chords AND fingered chords....a very cool feature.

Ian
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#230987 - 04/04/08 03:57 PM Re: Tough Decision
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Yamaha offers "multi-fingered" chord as default...it allows single finger chords AND fingered chords....a very cool feature.

Ian


So does Roland Ian... (but you knew that, didn't you?).

But it has one serious flaw. As outlined above, if you don't get ALL those multi-finger notes down simultaneously, as the engine sees the first NOTE, it immediately jumps to that One Finger chord, then as you add more, it will glitch. You get a MUCH cleaner recognition if you use the three note system (it won't do anything until it sees the third note, so fewer changes of chords and glitches).

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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Let's hope the next G-series is less beginner orientated.

Ian


So Yamaha can have the market ALL to themselves?!
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#230988 - 04/04/08 04:09 PM Re: Tough Decision
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Originally posted by Diki:
So Yamaha can have the market ALL to themselves?!


They nearly do now, Diki.

Obviously they know the market very well.

Ian
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