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#226539 - 02/08/08 09:28 AM PA800 Question
zuki Offline
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OK, trying to grasp the songbook still. I need to start over and get back the original songbook. Then I'll do my own song list from there.

Please, what steps do I take to load in the original songbook?

Thanks,
zuki
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#226540 - 02/08/08 10:17 AM Re: PA800 Question
hammer Offline
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Hi Zuki,
Keep in mind I have owned a PA1X for only 1 week -- but I believe if you reload the music resources file it will reload the original songbook. What I am not sure of is if you can load only the music resources file without reloading anything else. By the way do you know if there is a version of the songbook with the actual song names?

Hammer

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#226541 - 02/08/08 11:49 AM Re: PA800 Question
Princess Offline
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Loc: Michigan
Hi ZIKI;
If your OS is 1.51 upload the Music Resource 1.50 and your songbook will restored to original settings I'm pretty sure. Good Luck
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#226542 - 02/08/08 02:21 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Zuki,
did you back the original songbook up, or was it already altered?

I back all my data up every week or so, especially if I've altered a great deal of stuff.

I do a "Save All' to a usb stick.
I save it as a New Set wich I rename to whatever date it happens to be ie
All 8thfeb08. I make sure every item is ticked, because the default leaves some stuff out.

If for some reason something goes wrong down the track, any of these items, ie styles, sounds, songbook can be loaded back into my PA as a whole ( All) or as an individul item right down to a single style.
The All folder keeps opening up, there's layer upon layer of data. For instance , one you've opend up All, you'll see Styles as one of the components, if you keep pressing open, open etc you'll get right down to an indvidual style, that you can load back in.

You can also do saves of invidual stuff like the songbook. You can have 100 of them if you want to, as long as they all have different names.

Read thru the media section of the manual.

Meanwhile if you don't have a "Save' of the original songbook, I'm fairly certain I have, I can send you a copy & you should be able to load it in.

If you literally want to take the keyboard back to original factory settings, then you do it thru the resources 1.51 & 1.50 downloadable from the korg site. I don't think you can load individual stuff in from these files, that's why I always use the "All" save function.

best wishes
Rikki
if you need the songbookfile email me at rikkisbears@hotmail.com & let me know where to send it to.

Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
OK, trying to grasp the songbook still. I need to start over and get back the original songbook. Then I'll do my own song list from there.

Please, what steps do I take to load in the original songbook?

Thanks,
zuki
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#226543 - 02/08/08 02:39 PM Re: PA800 Question
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Zuki....... see if this helps you:


"It is very easy to build a personal songbook fast:..............

1) Select the style you want to use. Set up the four STS's if you can't use the default ones. Do any necessary modifications to tempo, transpose, volume, eq, balance, effects etc just as you would be doing it live.

2) Go to Book Edit Page 1. Fill out the fields (Genre, Artist, Key etc.) Make sure that you check marks in the following boxes:
Write Current Resource
Write STS
All Current Style STS

3) If necessary make further changes on Book Edit Page 2. Give the song an unique "Song Selection Number" (301, 302, 303,...).

4) Press Write

Do 1) to 4) for a number of styles. Now you can put these styles into a custom song book that only shows your own styles:

5) Make sure that "Enable Book Edit" is activated from the menu in the upper right corner.

6) Go to List Edit and press New List.

7) Go to the main Book page and press Add To List for you own entries.

8) Finally go back to the List Edit page and save the list.

You can choose which list that is shown on the Custom List page. You can continue adding more entries to your custom list by repeating 1-8 above, just do the following instead of 6)

6) Select your own list on the Custom list page.

This might seem complicated at first but is actually quite logical when you have done it a few times. And the custom list feature also allow you to have the same song in several lists, i.e. Sleigh Ride could be both in "Donny's Songs" and in "Christmas Songs".

Unfortunately I have no experience with the vocalizer, since I use the audio inputs for my GEM RP-X sound module - soon to be replaced with a SonicCell

Make sure that you check out page 297 in the manual. It contains a lot of shortcuts that will really help you in a live setting.

It is also important that you understand how "locks" works to get transpose etc. to work like you want it. Go to Global/General Controls/Locks. If an item is locked it will not change when you select a new songbook entry, style or performance. It will always retain the value of performance 1 (Grand Piano eXp). If you want another locked value just modify performance 1 and overwrite it. If you don't want the value to be locked you should open the lock in Global/General Controls/Locks and then do a Write Globals from the menu in the upper right corner."

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#226544 - 02/08/08 04:05 PM Re: PA800 Question
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4719
Thanks everyone. I'm stuggling through this, but that's my challenged mind for ya

I lost a few default songs while trying to save to custom (duh), so that's whay I need to reload the songbook. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the hang of this either.

Hopefully, things will sink in soon.

zuki
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#226545 - 02/08/08 04:48 PM Re: PA800 Question
Princess Offline
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Registered: 11/04/07
Posts: 100
Loc: Michigan
RIKKI,thanks,I have not broke down the seperate items,this subjuct is of interest to me,I do save everything when I make a lot of changes.
ZUKI///you will love the custom book as DNJ explanes,I just started doing mine last week,I JUST AM CRAZY ABOUT THIS KORG///
RIKKI,I've never done a style edit,but I'm going to try. thanks for your help///PRINCESS
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#226546 - 02/08/08 04:52 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Zuki,
have you got the original songbook in a format that you can load into your PA800 ie
have you got it as a SAve All, or As a songbook save??

If you need it read, my prior post.

If you've got it & need some step by step on how to load it in, happy to help.

I wiped out my whole original song book accidently in the beggining, I've learnt to "save" religously ever since.

Once you get the hang of it it's not hard, just confusing at first.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Thanks everyone. I'm stuggling through this, but that's my challenged mind for ya

I lost a few default songs while trying to save to custom (duh), so that's whay I need to reload the songbook. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the hang of this either.

Hopefully, things will sink in soon.

zuki
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Rikki 🧸

Korg PA5X 88 note
SX900
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#226547 - 02/08/08 05:35 PM Re: PA800 Question
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Thanks everyone. I'm stuggling through this, but that's my challenged mind for ya

I lost a few default songs while trying to save to custom (duh), so that's whay I need to reload the songbook. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the hang of this either.

Hopefully, things will sink in soon.

zuki


Zuki have you watched the Instructional DVDs?

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#226548 - 02/08/08 05:36 PM Re: PA800 Question
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by rikkisbears:
Hi Zuki,


I wiped out my whole original song book accidently in the beggining, I've learnt to "save" religously ever since.



Rikki, I lost my custom Songbook the first time I set it up. Since doing that I back up multiple times even in the same day if I've been doing a lot of Songbook custom settings.

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#226549 - 02/08/08 06:23 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Princess,
just make sure you have everything ticked when you do a save All for your own purposes. There may be stuff that you haven't even used , but all said & done , it's only space on a usb stick or copy it to your pc for backup.

I also do saves of just the style sets ( again I date them) if I'm auditioning them & loading & deleting, I even do a save of individual styles if I'm sharing styles with other people. If I sent them a save All, I could end up wiping ot there data if they accidently loaded all of mine.

If you need any help on style editing functions , happy to help. Just don't overwrite you existing styles till you know what you've edited still works ok.

If you decide to try & create, one fairly foolproof method is copying style parts from various styles to create new ones.

best wishes
Rikki

You may pick up some useable styles on the following forum
http://www.createsongstyles.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0

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#226550 - 02/08/08 06:52 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Stephen,
we usually learn the hard way. haahaa
Couldn't think of anything worse than losing a days work let alone weeks & weeks of it.

I only lost the original songbook with just a few entries, what really irritated me was, I'd been happily learning how convert one of my favourite yammie styles ( without using EMC) I'd spent hours on it sorting out different settings etc to get the piano arpeggio's playing correctly. (Didn't really quite know what I was doing.)Next day I accidently loaded something over the top of it. I had no backup.
It's been 3 months, I finally redid it again. Somewhat different metod this time..
I don't think I would have bothered again except my PA doesn't have an equivalent type of simple, strings / piano arpeggio ballad. (Actually sounds better on my Korg than it does on my psr1500.)

The style was redo able, but I couldn't imagine anything worse than losing a songbook. How on earth would you remember all the songs & settings , let alone all the work involved in putting it back together again. eek
best wishes
Rikki
Quote:
Originally posted by Stephenm52:
Rikki, I lost my custom Songbook the first time I set it up. Since doing that I back up multiple times even in the same day if I've been doing a lot of Songbook custom settings.

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#226551 - 02/09/08 08:14 AM Re: PA800 Question
Princess Offline
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Registered: 11/04/07
Posts: 100
Loc: Michigan
Hi Rikki;
Thanks so much for the info on saving individual files when saving "ALL" I went to page 239-242 in new 1.51 manual... is that where the proper procedure is located?Want to make sure were on the same page LOL
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#226552 - 02/09/08 01:30 PM Re: PA800 Question
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4719
After downloading my resources, I only had 300 songbook songs! I noticed I had NO country tunes and many more. I'll try to load again and see. I used the CD software. Any suggestions?
Thanks, zuki
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#226553 - 02/09/08 01:43 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Zuki,
what operating system is showing up when you switch on your PA800?
Is it definately 1.51??

I bought mine new 3 months ago, but the CD still only had the original vers 1 operating system.

Not saying that's the case with yours. Does it say 1.5 on the cd??
I downloaded my 1.51 &1.50 files from Korg PA.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zuki:
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#226554 - 02/09/08 01:46 PM Re: PA800 Question
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
After downloading my resources, I only had 300 songbook songs! I noticed I had NO country tunes and many more. I'll try to load again and see. I used the CD software. Any suggestions?
Thanks, zuki


Zuki, I picked up my Pa2xPro and there are only 300 songbook entries as the default. I don't remember whether it is the same for the PA800.

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#226555 - 02/09/08 02:01 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Paula,
the page numbers differ between my earlier manual & your newer 1.5.
I actually have a copy of the new manual on my PC, just haven't gotten round to printing the 300 or so pages.

The Page 239 etc you mentioned is the Save All functions I was referring to.

Probably best when quoting page numbers to also mention which version manual we're using.

When they did the 1.5 resources upgrade, additional functions were added, & the additional 10 pages or so of info came on a pdf file.

Probably why our manuals are roughly 10 pages out of sync.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by Princess:
Hi Rikki;
Thanks so much for the info on saving individual files when saving "ALL" I went to page 239-242 in new 1.51 manual... is that where the proper procedure is located?Want to make sure were on the same page LOL
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#226556 - 02/09/08 02:11 PM Re: PA800 Question
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Quote:
Originally posted by Stephenm52:
Zuki, I picked up my Pa2xPro and there are only 300 songbook entries as the default. I don't remember whether it is the same for the PA800.



WOW....Congrats Steve on your New KB....man your in the cockpit now baby!!!

Let er RIP!!

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#226557 - 02/09/08 03:00 PM Re: PA800 Question
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4719
Rikki -

Yes, I downloaded both the 1.51 and the 1.50 versions, which show up as such in my keyboard. I think it's odd that I have NO country songs in my songbook???

Can you check for me to see how many songs you have in your songbook please?

Thanks, zuki
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#226558 - 02/09/08 03:01 PM Re: PA800 Question
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4719
Steve,

Congratulations! Bet I know what you're doing Sell the 800???

zuki
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#226559 - 02/09/08 05:53 PM Re: PA800 Question
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Zuki,
I only have the 300. That must be the default.
Did you keep a backup or do a save before you loaded the resource??
If you had additional entries they must have been Donny's.
Maybe with a bit of luck he has a backup.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Rikki -

Yes, I downloaded both the 1.51 and the 1.50 versions, which show up as such in my keyboard. I think it's odd that I have NO country songs in my songbook???

Can you check for me to see how many songs you have in your songbook please?

Thanks, zuki
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Rikki 🧸

Korg PA5X 88 note
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