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#224488 - 01/15/08 06:49 PM Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
rbmusic Offline
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I bought an E50 from George Kaye 2 weeks ago. I have been working with it every day to try and like it. Well here is what a do like first of all I love the size and weight( main reason for buying this board).I like the operating system and navigation. I like the drum sounds alot. The pianos are the best sounds I like in this board. The saxes and brass and guitars are ok but I am so used to those sounds on my Tyros 2 it's hard for me to adjust to the way these sound. Some of the styles are very good some I don't like.
Here is what I don't like about it. The KEYS! on this board are way to light for my touch. I tried my best to get used to these keys but there is no way I will be happy with them. I am selling this on ebay mainly because of the keys not the sounds or the operating system.

Before I let it go I am recording with it to rember what the roland sound is like and to do comparison withmy other boards.

So here is the example of the E50 Classic piano recording of the purgatory piano test midi file. I also recorded it on another keyboard I have for comparison but I won't tell you which one it is I want to see if anyone can reconize it. I'll call it Mistery piano for now.

Thanks: ray
Roland E50: http://www.box.net/shared/n6ijey3ccg
Mystery piano? http://www.box.net/shared/3kbgryvok4

I edited this post tocorrect the name of the pianosound for the E50 which the Classic Piano n ot concert. Conert piano is the name of the sound for the mistery keyboard.

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#224489 - 01/15/08 07:18 PM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Mystery Piano sounds THIN must be the Tyros 2....or maybe Privia?



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#224490 - 01/15/08 08:00 PM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Well Ray, I must say the E-50 piano is not bad...actually pretty darn good...seems fairly even throughout it's range.

I can't even remotely guess the identity of the "Mystery Piano".

I need/prefer a weighted hammer action when I play solo piano....playing piano on an light action arranger is fine by me when I am using auto-accompaniment.

Ian
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#224491 - 01/15/08 08:23 PM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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From knowing what the PCreek file sounds like on my G70, I'd suggest adding 5 or so (or to taste) to the Cutoff parameter on the E50 sound... You won't hear much difference when 'spanked', but it sure helps brighten up the low velocities just a bit more...

I have no idea why Roland decided to darken the pianos in the E80/60/50 compared to the same piano in the G70. To my ears, the G70 sounds pretty much identical to the FantomX 'Ultimate Grand' patch, still considered one of the best ROM pianos around.

They all sound roughly the same when hit hard (or Key Touch is set to LOW), but I think I really DO hear them get darker at lower velocities... in fact, just a tad TOO dark for me.

What IS that other piano? An older Korg stage piano? An old RD? It's too fat for a Yamaha, isn't it (and quirky)...?
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#224492 - 01/15/08 11:59 PM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
Scott Langholff Offline
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That piano sounds remarkably good, especially considering the price range of the E50.

Are you going to send it to Purgatory Creek? It would be a great new addition.

Scott

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#224493 - 01/16/08 05:15 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
It's too fat for a Yamaha, isn't it (and quirky)...?


I agree Diki, Yamaha's have that clean compressed(but not thin) sound and non of the quirkyness of this sample.

I was going to guess PA-800, but it is too fat for that one as well...could be early RD, or maybe the EP-7/9 series?

The decay is short like the EP series.

Ian
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#224494 - 01/16/08 05:40 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Ian thanx for the morning laugh hahahahhah......Korg is far and away producing right now the best arrangers on the market hands down......you Nay Sayers have to face the truth sooner or l8tr.

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#224495 - 01/16/08 05:44 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Ian thanx for the morning laugh hahahahhah......Korg is far and away producing right now the best arrangers on the market hands down......you Nay Sayers have to face the truth sooner or l8tr.


...and yet, our image remains untarnished.
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#224496 - 01/16/08 05:44 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Korg is far and away producing right now the best arrangers on the market hands down......you Nay Sayers have to face the truth sooner or l8tr.


If you say so Donny...glad you're happy with the product.

Ian
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#224497 - 01/16/08 05:52 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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I thought I just said so?

until people hear start posting some work instead of just constantly bickering procrastinating about sounds & styles & this is better then that over & over again which personally is getting so old and boring leading me to believe that they think that is above their playing ability which is really the culprit.....& is definitly what they should be learning how to do better.....talk is cheap, I want to hear people play arrangers period.

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#224498 - 01/16/08 06:07 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
...and yet, our image remains untarnished.



Yes Chas...untarnished and unbesmirched.

It's tough being this pure, ain't it?

Ian
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#224499 - 01/16/08 06:09 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
I thought I just said so?



Ah, perhaps you did. My mistake. Sorry.

Ian
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#224500 - 01/16/08 09:00 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Ok since no one recognized the mistery piano I will tell you what it is.

It is the concert piano sound from the Ketron X1/X4 series.

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#224501 - 01/16/08 09:20 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
ianmcnll Offline
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Thanks Ray...I never would have guessed it...Ketron isn't sold in my area.

Ian
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#224502 - 01/16/08 11:34 AM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Hey Donny... (and the rest of you!) The P.Creek file for the PA800 is up at P. Creek (look under Korg).

A huge improvement over the Triton based stuff (PA1X etc), but they still tend to go for I feel a tad less sustain than Roland and Yamaha. Warmer than Yamaha (a fridge is that!), but still a little cold in the mid and lower mid section. It will probably bed with a track nicely, but I feel as a naked, solo piano, it still isn't the king of the hill...

Mind you, with only 61 notes to play it on, that usage is unlikely, anyway.
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#224503 - 01/16/08 01:27 PM Re: Roland E-50 conert piano purgatory creek test
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Hi,
I wouldn't have guessed that one either & I've got 2 Ketrons ( SD1+ & SD2) & I like the piano's on those.

Didn't think much of the mystery demo piano sound.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by rbmusic:
Ok since no one recognized the mistery piano I will tell you what it is.

It is the concert piano sound from the Ketron X1/X4 series.
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