Take note of the LIVE use (easy access to panel buttons) during play!!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=18860948
(Performance)
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=18860948
(How it works, by Georgio – one of our Engineers)
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=18860948
(Serious use of an Arranger?)

Am I missing something here..........?????

Aren't these all the same video?

they are indeed

Why someone get in the trouble
of getting an expensive keyboard,
a camera,
a tripod,
a keyboard player,
video editing software,
etc etc etc

and then NOT use a simple audio cable to connect the keyboard's output in the camera AUDIO IN, at least preserving the quality of audio?

The question goes for ALL the vid camera demos.

Exactly!
DonM

You’re all assuming it was professionally arranged. (Many amateurs have tripods etc)
Most manufactures wont let you plug in third party products without prior approval.
Also remember that some video cameras don’t have any audio inputs, or if they do, they relay on auto volume adjust. (Not ideal)
Another point of view

Bill

Another one....
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2062648016

and one more.... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2065874388

Bill,
you certainly are right, but we are talking about a ~$4000 piece of keyboard here, not a "my mother bought it for Christmas" Bontempi.

It wasn't profesionally arranged, but it wasn't something done on a garage either.

Check this out: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/277463/art/samsung/vp-d361-minidv-camcorder.html ..... 131 quid INCLUDING VAT and it says it has an audio input.

I am not trying to win an argument here, I was saying exactly the same things when Domenik of Mediastation fame was showcasing his company's gem, using handheld cameras (no tripods) and using on-camera mics, in an uncontrolled sound environment. It was doing more harm than good. Perhaps something to do with Italian companies?

Trident, you are wrong
still the camera that you sown, do not have a audio line inputs, only mic and how told abacus is really hard with the standard camera recording the external audio + video.
I use this one: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/543093/art/jvc/everio-gz-mg575-camcorder.html
and stil dont have the line IN, but now the audio quality is much better.
this one have the audio In/out professional: http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/150824/art/sony/hvr-z1e-pro-digital-camco.html
and you can record nice video with good audio quality.

about the MS audio quality, we dont have to shown really nothing because we still we are the only one company that use 24bit AD/DA converter AKM, 116dB dynamic range in one keyboard.
all the other brands stil use the old 16bit DA converter with less 90dB dynamic range. ( oasys included)
Play one tape: you get one sound..
play one CD player: you get another sounds..
Play a 24Bit Audio file/GIGA, you get a totally another sounds.

play one Mp3 on audya and transpose it UP or Down of more 3 semitone and then we will hear another sounds...
IF you still dubit of the elastique audio engine, then also you have to dubit to the all this company: http://www.zplane.de/index.php?page=references

IF Audya can install this elastique engine...then really can be a TOP Audio keyboard!
enjoy what you play

It's real easy... The Audya has not been released yet. These are recordings controlled by the manufacturer (presumably, they are in control of their own advance publicity and trade demos). As such, it behooves them, if they ARE interested in creating good advance buzz about their forthcoming products, to show them in the best light possible. The failure to even CARE what these clips sound like (uniformly horrible) is a failure to care what potential customers think about their new product. Guess what that makes me think about their general care for any of our concerns...

And, tout tech specs all you want... a cheap Yamaha, recorded well, can blow away any crappy demo recorded by a consumer camcorder's built in mike of any 24 bit 96 kHz keyboard out there. You don't sell records by sticking a crappy mike up at a gig and go 'hey, here's what the new Killers record sounds like'... You record them as well as you can, and deliver the content in as high a quality as you can afford. Any less, and the consumer has every right to assume that is what it REALLY sounds like... cheap, tinny and boxy. Why should he assume any better, if the manufacturer themselves can't somehow make it sound any good?

You will NEVER hear as crappy a demo on any of the Big 3's websites. What do you think MAKES them so successful? It certainly isn't from a total lack of care what their product SOUNDS like to the average customer, and a customer, at that, who is in an almost impossible situation to actually TRY one out.

The smaller your marketing base (and Ketron's and MS's and Wersi's are almost impossible to try out in the USA), the MORE important it is that every demo (at least the manufacturer controlled events, like here) are of the highest quality.

Tech specs don't tell the whole tale. A 24/96 crappy sample set, or style, doesn't sound ANY better than a 16/44 crappy sample set or style. And a company that doesn't care enough about their potential customers to spend enough money to video it properly is quite possibly trying to disguise these issues...

Or they just don't care. So why should we?

DAMN that was well put Diki.

Yup, the old chestnut applies here. You only get one chance to make a good first impression.

+2 Diki
D

Straight from the manual of the 131 quid camera, page 67:

"To utilize an external MIC or sound source, connect a microphone to the MIC jack or use the Multi-AV Cable to connect
external sound source input"

Oh, and they give you the cable for that. You don't have to buy it separately.

Brilliant Insight Diki, now why don't they get it? Oh, just look at the sales figures in the states.

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Al Giordano
http://www.arrangerworld.com


Tyros 2, Yamaha P-250, Korg Triton Extreme 76, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums, Roland SPD-S.

Diki, you're RIGHT (damn, can't believe I said that)!

Seriously, I agree.


R.