Steve,
I can't figure this one out. Why is the Tyros pdf manual password protected? When one wants to offer some support to others and copy and paste a manual quote in a post the pdf won't allow to copy. Of course I figured a work around to be able to do it anyway.

I just can't figure out why Yamaha would need to pass protect this?
Terry

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Terry, if all else fails tell someone where they can get a copy of the manual (it's freely downloadable, at least I didn't have any trouble getting it) and then give them the page and paragraph where the info is.

Tom

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Bigger is not always better

Tomcat,
Of course that's another workaround. I just can't come up with a reason in my head why they would not allow copy and paste especially as you have pointed out it is freely downloadable to all.

If they are afraid someone is going to plaguerize it....that doesn't make any sense either, because they certainly could still do that just by retyping the words.

In the final analysis, it is still copyable just a little more difficult to do so.
Terry

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Terry,

Just like your songs, these manuals are copyrighted. Copy protection is Yamaha's way of saying "Use your own words".

Hope you all have a wonderful holiday.


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Steve Deming
Assistant Manager
Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America
YCASupport@yamaha.com
714.522.9000

Steve,
Thanks for the reply, but isn't the end goal to get users to be able to use the equipment? Since forums like these are doing 90% of the support work for all the companies I would think you would all be more than happy for us to provide the info even out of the freely downloadable manual.
Terry

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Mike,
That was part of my point in the original post is that there is a workaround so what's their point.
Terry

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Whether or not it matters to me personally is not the issue. But it is copyrighted material, so officially I have to say, please don't copy it.

To Yamaha, it's like locking your door. Everyone knows that a good burglar can get past any door, but the simple/prudent thing is to lock your door.

No one is trying to frustrate your attempts at being helpful. The copyright isn't about your scenario at all. It's about people who would copy whole sections of it for use in their publications which they would then sell it for profit.

Everyone appreciates what goes on at site like this... Especially me!

This site is all about making music without headaches. Have fun guys!

Regards,

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Steve Deming
Assistant Manager
Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America
YCASupport@yamaha.com
714.522.9000

Steve,
OK, I accept that and the further expanation makes sense as far as bulk copying.
thanks,
Terry

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Mike, I removed that link to the the Tyros manual simply to respect Yamaha's copyright on the material. It is to Yamaha's credit that they actually make their manuals available electronically which is much more than most other keyboard manufacturers do, so I'd prefer not to endanger this service by causing legal problems that would make them question their decision to do this.

Hi Nigel

From what Steve is saying, ie., that it doesn't apply to our situation (scenario) at all here on the Forum, - correct me if I'm wrong Steve - I assume he meant that what I posted (a cut from the Tyros manual) was okay with him and Yamaha. He didn't tell me to personally delete that post or I would have. I think being able to post helpful step by step instructions from the Tyros Manual to those here on the Forum that aren't able to access a Tyros Manual for some reason would be, well... helpful.

Best regards,
Mike

But I also said:


Guys, please don't ask me to walk this fine line any further than I have to. I can't go on forever without stepping on somebody's toes. If Yamaha yanks my chain, I'm sure you know who's side I'll come down on. I really do appreciate what you guys are doing here. Dont spend too much energy trying to solve a non-issue.

Regards,


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Steve Deming
Assistant Manager
Customer Support Dept.
Pro Audio & Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America
YCASupport@yamaha.com
714.522.9000

Done deal as far as I concerned. I asked a Q. out of curiosity more than anything and Steve gave a reasonable truthful answer. I consider the matter closed and we should drop it.
Terry

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See Nigel, "non-issue".

Best regards,
Mike

I don't get this.

I've had a link in my favourites to the Yamaha Japan manual site for ages (you can get there via Yamaha Europes home page). Unless my details are in a cookie I don't know about, then I am not logging into this site or doing anything special.

So I've just gone to my link:
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/index.html

Then accepted the license agreement
And then chosen "Electronic Musical Instruments" on the search page

Then searched for Tyros..

And downloaded the manual (all 8 meg of it - 176 pages, three languages).

Just to reinforce the fact that I don't think I'm using any illegal back doors, heres the link to Yamaha Europe home page. The link to the manuals library is at the middle of the right hand side of the page:
http://www.yamaha.co.uk/

OK, OK so its really Yamaha UK, we all make mistakes!

Guys the point was not whether or not we could get the manuals. They are available no problem. When one opens the manual in Adobe and tries to copy a portion of text to put in a post to answer a Q. the Adobe file is password protected and will not allow one to copy any of it was the "non issue."
Terry

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Now I understand!

It's the same in my copy.

Doesn't stop us using screen shots, however. Therefore, not a problem. Just remember to turn down the colour depth of the bitmap so as not to take up too much space.

Now you know what it is I was suggesting as the "workaround."
Terry

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Thats what you get from not reading the original post properly!