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#211251 - 02/03/04 08:21 PM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Mike your problem sounds like you are using the wrong driver..Use Direct drivers and not an Emulator.. You should be able to set the latency to about 15ms..When B4 is set up properly it works without any concern of failures..Fran
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#211252 - 02/03/04 10:16 PM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Vquestor Offline
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Registered: 12/14/00
Posts: 554
I was looking around and found that
Dash synthesis used to make a VST Roland D50
emulator called "daDIGITAL50", but all links
to it are dead. Does anyone know where I
could find it? and will it accept regular D50 patches?

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#211253 - 02/03/04 11:33 PM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 2417
Loc: CA
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Mike your problem sounds like you are using the wrong driver..Use Direct drivers and not an Emulator.. You should be able to set the latency to about 15ms..When B4 is set up properly it works without any concern of failures..Fran


Fran

I tried using the Direct drivers but still got the same results.

I'm thinking my SB Live! sound card is most likely the culprit. I use it to run B4. My Delta 44 PCI card doesn't have Midi Output ports. And the SB Live! is not really a Professional quality sound card. It doesn't have Asio driver support and it has a rather high latency rate.

My next Professional sound card will need to have Midi integration and compatibility.

I guess I should start saving now to get one. I'll have to start checking again what's new in the way of professional quality sound cards. I haven't checked in quite a while. Something around the $700-$800 range.

Best regards,
Mike
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#211254 - 02/04/04 04:35 AM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Frank L. Rosenthal Offline
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Registered: 03/18/00
Posts: 1008
I operate the NI B4 at 2.9 ms latency all the time with no hitches of any kind. I can do this in the standalone mode or as a VSTi. So to me the software is robust and reliable. The only downside I see is that after the installation it will ask for the installation CD occasionally but even this stops after a few times.

So, both the sound and reliability are excellent.

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#211255 - 02/04/04 05:06 AM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
larigot Offline
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Registered: 06/14/02
Posts: 36
Loc: Portsmouth - UK
Keybplayer...you seem to have a lot of problems with B4, sometimes it seems we all get a piece of software that at times just dosen't seem to work properly for us when everybody else is having no problems at all.

I must admit the B4 was a bit unstable when I used it on my laptop running Win XP but after reverting back to Win98 it works perfectly, but it runs perfectly on my main PC which runs Win XP..but I do use a MIDI to USB converter so it may help you to invest in this device as it can alleviate note hang problems.

Hope things sort themselves out for you and I hope my info was of benefit to you as well.

Regards

Larigot


[This message has been edited by larigot (edited 02-04-2004).]

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#211256 - 02/04/04 07:22 PM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 2417
Loc: CA
Got my email response from Ilio. Guess what? Charlie DOES implement Percussion into its Organ sounds. Take a look at this:

Notice if you will at the top of the photo just to the right of center you will see a "Percussion On/Off Switch". Bingo! Charlie has Percussion!!

Ilio hasn't answered my other email to them. If they do I will keep you posted as to any new info they provide about playing Charlie in a Live setting.

Best regards,
Mike
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#211257 - 02/06/04 06:05 AM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Smokey Offline
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Registered: 10/04/03
Posts: 97
Loc: Colorado
I see some of the members use the B4. Does anyone use B4Buddy? I don't get it. How does it help in using B4?
Smokey

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#211258 - 02/06/04 08:20 AM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Starkeeper Offline
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Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
Smokey says, "How does it help in using B4?". It helps you sound like you are playing a real Hammond B3. I haven't heard any musician on this forum or on the Harmony-Central synth forum say anything negative about Native Instruments B4. So much for voices being subjective, or does that apply only to the piano voice?
Starkeeper
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#211259 - 02/06/04 01:13 PM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Roel Offline
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Registered: 06/24/99
Posts: 1232
B4 on Windows XP brings problems :
Hanging notes, keys not moving on the screen etc.

After changing 'compatibility' options to WINDOWS 98 she's OK again !

Use soundcards that support ASIO2 and the latency is (almost) gone.

Roel

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#211260 - 02/06/04 02:06 PM Re: Alternative to Native Instruments B4...
Frank L. Rosenthal Offline
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Registered: 03/18/00
Posts: 1008
I operate the NI B4 in Windows XP with no problems (standalone, VSTi, ASIO or WDM) at 2.9 ms latency.

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