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#198387 - 03/23/05 05:33 PM
Re: Copy of copyright materials!!!!
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Tony, I agree with everything you said, and I might add that once converted, those conversions do not represent the G-70 styles. They are essentially new styles that are the result of someone's creativity and software engineering expertise. Lets face it, no keyboard or synth manufacturer created the ballad, swing, jazz, foxtrot, etc. Those styles were the creations of musicians at a time when most of us were not alive--even old farts like me. Each of those styles have been modified many, many times, yet if you look at your style selection on your keyboard, it says swing, etc. Does Roland, Yamaha, Korg, or any other manufacturer own those styles? NOT!
A parrallel of this would be an ordinary kernel of corn. When cooked in hot oil, the moisture expands and causes it to be transformed into pop-corn. It no longer is an ordinary kernel of corn, but instead, it just became a new product, one that was created by someone who modified the kernel using his or her creativity. Now, does the farmer who sold the corn have legal rights to all modifications to the corn? How about when the corn is converted to fuel, booze, candy, flour? Should the farmer get a royality because he grows hyrid corn that he developed in his greenhouse before selling it? Case closed!
BTW, most of the conversions are mediocre at best, many I would not use for performances, and some, after lots of fine tuning, changes in OTS, etc, may end up in my archives. Then again, I may dump the entire file.
Bigger and better fish to fry Cass,
Gary
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#198389 - 03/23/05 11:31 PM
Re: Copy of copyright materials!!!!
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Registered: 10/27/03
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Loc: CA
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That's an amazing analogy Gary! And Roland must realize that their Styles will always sound the best on the Keyboard that the Styles were designed for, in this case the G70. But possibly what they don't realize is that the conversion of their G70 Styles to other Keyboards gives other Brand keyboard owners a 'glimpse' of what the G70 is capable of as far as the Styles go. >> That is if the conversions are up to snuff. What it does is spark 'interest' in the "Keyboard" the Styles were created for, again in this case the G70. If the Styles happen to be converted outstandingly then that fuels the interest all the more and for some it could possibly mean selling their present Keyboard and getting the G70. As Tony did regarding his Tyros after listening to the Tyros Styles on his PRO. Or even supplementing a current keyboard with a G70. And especially since Roland is really limiting their sales of the G70 by selling them only through independent (mom & pop) retail establishments, that is all the more reason in my opinion for them to allow this additional 'exposure' by allowing the G70 styles to be converted and posted on the Net if people so choose to convert them and post them. We all realize that a Keyboard is MUCH more than just the Styles. For instance; the G70 has one of the best key action and feel of any Arranger on the planet. Plus it has a plethora of other advanced features and of course a multitude of great sounds. Being able to listen to the G70's Styles on another Brand Keyboard (whatever one that may be), and realizing the potential that they have: could in my opinion, sway many a person to take the plung and get the G70. But not being able to do so because of Rolands prohibitiveness of not allowing any G70 conversions to be posted on the Net could quite frankly backfire and hinder possible additional sales of it. Best regards, Mike [This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 03-23-2005).]
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#198393 - 03/24/05 05:45 AM
Re: Copy of copyright materials!!!!
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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I agree that sending copyrighted midi and style files in their orriginal format is wrong. That's essentially theft. However, any modification of that style renders it into a new product, one that in many cases is nothing like the orriginal material. Let's see now, every keyboard I've owned had a Big Band Fast, Swing and various Jazz styles. Who was the first to have those styles, and did they actually invent Swing, Jazz, etc...? Nope! In most instances, the only part of the style that is the creation of the keyboard manufacturer are the intros and endings, and some coming from third party, independent suppliers sound almost exactly like internal styles from various keyboards I've owned. My point is that reconstituted stles are new creations--not duplicates of the orriginal. If you want the orriginal, you'll have to buy the keyboard, which is what many of us do.
From a personal standpoint, I believe that if I were to compose and perform a beautiful love song, one that was later being performed throughout the world by a huge number of entertainers, I would be the happiest person on earth. I wouldn't be trying to take legal action to prevent them from performing the songs--hell, I would be trying to find ways to have them perform it more often. Not only would I be flattered, I'd also be quite rich because it would inspire a lot of other folks to purhcase the orriginal. Think about it!
Cheers,
Gary
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