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#194626 - 04/16/05 02:44 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
El Shaddai Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
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Thanks, spalding, for the manual for 8k. Can you give some mp3 demos, please ? So I'll can hear 8k.

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#194627 - 04/16/05 03:40 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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if someone can give me some instructions how i will gladly do this

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#194628 - 04/16/05 07:36 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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Spalding,

To record an MP3, merely follow the directions I posted at http://psrtutorial.com/L/REC/MakeCD.html which will record a WAV file, then convert it to an MP3. Nothing to it.

Good Luck,

Gary
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#194629 - 04/16/05 08:35 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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If you want great key feel, buy an 88-key digital piano.

If you want a great arranger, you'd have to get the PSR3000.

Can anyone else here who has played both the PSR3000 and the PSR8000 say that it is debatable that the PSR3000's styles are better? That's ridiculous.

4 parts, 3 intros, 3 endings, and a break, made with better voices, and better production techniques.

If you have the PSR3000, and you can get a hold of the styles from the Tyros, CVP209, and the PSR90000, you have about 350 great styles with four parts and OTS.

I think the PSR3000's keys are pretty good. Maybe that is one of the very few areas that the PSR3000 is slightly inferior to the PSR8000.

If you want an arranger keyboard - that means that you want accompaniment, it would be crazy to choose the PSR8000 over the PSR3000 unless price were an object.

Vocalizer. If the PSR8000's vocalizer is similar to the PSR740 which came a year later, then it sucks compared to the PSR3000.

With the PSR8000 you don't get the Live! Piano. Come on! Are you crazy? You don't get that Sweet! Soprano Sax, the Cool! Organs, the Sweet! Harmonica, Live! Strings, Cool! Electric Pianos.

It's just insane to compare these keyboards. Those who know me on this forum know that I am normally not subject to hyperbole.

I am a gigging musician who plays the PSR3000. I'm definitely not in the big leagues, but I support myself and my family playing the PSR3000. I pay for the mortgage, the two cars, sock money away for retirement, and have a little money left over for a modest two week vacation with the PSR3000. With 9 months of performing every day, I can attest that the PSR3000 is no toy.


Beakybird

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#194630 - 04/17/05 01:05 AM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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Have you actually played the psr 8000 ?tried its vocaliser? Have you heard the eps on the psr 8000 ? What is really "crazy" is trying to express an opinion on the two boards if you have not actually herad both boards.... I have spent time with both keyboards and so am able to make a comparrison. Its just my opinion though.However i have been looking for a reason to upgrade since 2000 and i am probably one of the most annoying customers a shop could have. I dont buy hype. I buy instruments that are worth the increment in price for a comparable increment in value.

I use my 8000 for similar purposes to EL so i am looking at it as an appropriate arranger for his use in worship and general playing. Read ELs post again and then actually listen to a psr8000 . If i understand his post correctly he wants to know which is better for him the psr 8000 or the 3000. The 3000 in the uk costs around 1000 and the 8000 around 500.

If no aftertouch, no sampler are not important and EL finds that the sound quality difference merrits the extra expense then go forit EL

But i amnot crazy. Thre views i have expressed are from a valid stand point.

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#194631 - 04/17/05 07:00 AM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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The PSR8000, in my opinion, remains one of the all-time best Yamahas. Sure, the later ones have an improved OS, but the 8000 had some really neat features that have been discontinued.
It had the Groove function, which allowed you to easily change the timing on styles and save them in a special bank, effectively doubling the number of styles. It let you arrange the factory styles in banks of your choice.
By using the four style assignment buttons, you could effectively increase the variations, intros and endings to four per style.
It had aftertouch. The vocal harmony and voice processor was BETTER than the 9000, at least to me. Unlike the 2000, the harmony presets worked as they should.
It was built to last, other than the infamous keybed strip, which is easily replaced.
The registration system worked better and easier than the newer ones. You had dedicated bank buttons that let you quickly call up any registrations without going into a different screen.
There was more control over the style parts in real time, with wheels that adjusted the individual part volumes, instead of having to go into the mixer.
If I had to choose, of course I'd choose the 3000, but it's not a no-brainer, especially if the 8000 is in good shape and you can save considerable money. I went back to the 8000 twice after "upgrading" to newer models, and I kept it as a reliable backup up for several years after that.
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#194632 - 04/17/05 01:04 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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I was able to play the PSR8000 at Sam Ash after the PSR9000 had come out. I did not try the vocalizer. I was currently playing the PSR740, and I was immediately disappointed that I couldn't get 4 part styles.

I remember the groove feature from the PSR740 - probably the same as the PSR8000's. It was nice to groove in real time. One advantage of the non-real time groove function on the PSR3000 is that you can tweak the groove with several parameters.

I don't know. I'm into styles and voices - the bread and butter of an arranger. My PSR3000 is loaded with all of the styles (less duplicates of course) from the PSR9000, CVP209, Tyros, the styles that come on the new Tyros with hard drive, plus dozens of styles from Midispot, Styles-Music.de, and conversions from other keyboards. I have an amazing arsenal, even though, I'm always hungry for a new sound. You cannot even load the PSR9000, CVP209, and Tyros styles onto the PSR8000.

The PSR3000 has almost all of the voices from the Tyros. All of the Tyros styles sound great on the PSR3000. Many of these stunning voices are not on the PSR8000.

I can see the advantages of the PSR8000's build quality, knobs instead of buttons, a few other things, but if it's no sweat to afford the PSR3000, it's an amazing keyboard.

I don't think I could make as good of a living playing the PSR8000 as I do playing the PSR3000. I admit, if I were a better musician, it probably wouldn't matter.

Beakybird

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#194633 - 04/17/05 02:27 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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Registered: 09/29/04
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Loc: Birmingham
i have just added the folowing styles to my 10 year old keyboard

1. Korg PA1X jazz,styles . Funk styles,ballads
2. KN7000 Ballroom styles , jazz styles
3. Tyros styles

Got them all from the PSR tutorial and yes they need a lot of tweaking but i did not spend 4000 to get new styles. And all of those styles i could have created from scratch mysel with 10 yrear old technology.

I am certain Beakiybird that you would be just as good a musician today and make just as much money if you had stuck with the one keyboard. Your oudience is unlikely to know that they are listening to a 10 year old keyboard from a 6 month old keyboard. But you willhave discovered more fullty what you can do with your instrument once you have really probed its depths.

Enjoy your PSR 3000 . I am sure it is a great board.But i dont believe that it the step up in sound that you believe it to be other than a handfull of sounds like the much vaunted soprano sax on the 3000 which is the same sax on the psr 9000 (which is lovely never the less) and perhaps richer drums.

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#194634 - 04/17/05 11:40 PM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
spalding Offline
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Loc: Birmingham
Sorry my keyboard is not 10 years old but close.( slight exaggeration)
Also the only other significant advance that is actually usuable in the psr 3000 is the mega voices . When they become useable as stand alone voices , this will be a genuine step change in terms of musical technology as far as i am concerned.

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#194635 - 04/18/05 02:04 AM Re: Yamaha PSR-3000 vs Yamaha PSR-8000
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Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 1156
Loc: Oradea, RO
well, everyone in here seems to be very atached to yamaha's.
why is that?
get a korg pa50, i;d say is hard to beat this one, for a low price and alot of editing for sounds and styles. triton's sound generator, good (enough) key feel, light, nice design.
...hm?
greets to you el shaddai! i am romanian too!
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