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#188411 - 10/30/02 02:41 AM VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Luis.Santos Offline
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What keyboard should I choose?... I'm still looking for the "perfect" keyboard, but knowing there is no such thing.
What keyboard has the "best" styles, the "best" sounds?...

I was considering the SD1 but I'm now a little scared about what I've read about the SD1 problems like the sampler...
The 9000PRO has less bugs then the SD1?...

What about the "fell" of the keys on these 3 keyboards? Can anyone please tell me the real differences?...

I really need some help please...

Thanks.

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#188412 - 10/30/02 04:41 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
trtjazz Offline
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Luis
There has been much said about these boards. Look back through some of the posts or do a search here.

The 2 things you are asking about.."feel" and "styles" are going to be a matter of opinion by each person who answers. So the best solution I think is listen to all the demos on line you can to get a feel for what each board sounds like, then go play them for the feel.
jam on,
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#188413 - 10/30/02 06:47 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Clif Anderson Offline
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If you sing while you play, you should know that the 9000Pro and SD1 have vocal harmonizers, while the VA76 does not. The VA76 has "variphrase" which allows you to play vocal lines on the keyboard--but this is no substitute for real-time vocal harmony.

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#188414 - 10/30/02 09:16 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
rolandfan Offline
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Go for the VA 76. If I had the cash i would The VA76 is STILL one of the most technologically advanced keyboards on earth

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#188415 - 10/30/02 09:42 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
rolandfan Offline
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Go for the VA 76. If I had the cash i would The VA76 is STILL one of the most technologically advanced keyboards on earth

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#188416 - 10/30/02 09:57 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
trtjazz Offline
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Well, as long as we're posting opinions....I waited a year to play a VA 76 and did not like it at all.
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#188417 - 10/30/02 10:02 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
dlstarry Offline
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Terry I played a new VA76 a couple of weeks
ago & I did not like it either, didn't like
the touch screen, key feel, or a lot of
voices.
Just my 2 cents
Denny
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#188418 - 10/30/02 10:38 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Starkeeper Offline
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Rolanfan,
Can you compare the VA76 or VA7 to the EM55 which you just tried?
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#188419 - 10/30/02 11:05 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
DanO1 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luis.Santos:
What keyboard should I choose?... I'm still looking for the "perfect" keyboard, but knowing there is no such thing.
What keyboard has the "best" styles, the "best" sounds?...

I was considering the SD1 but I'm now a little scared about what I've read about the SD1 problems like the sampler...
The 9000PRO has less bugs then the SD1?...

The sampler does allow you to .wav sync . This is something that the VA76 or 9000pro can not do . This is improtant . I have sang harmonized voice samples and looped them with a style .

What about the "fell" of the keys on these 3 keyboards? Can anyone please tell me the real differences?...

The SD1 has just as good if not better key feel .

I really need some help please...

Thanks.



Here are a few things about the SD1 that set it apart from the Roland + Yamaha .

6 gig hard drive out of the box .

The hard drive is used very effectively for storing styles , sounds , midi sequences and wav files .
YOu can edit sounds , volumne levels, effects , transposition and panning
right on the hard drive while the sequence plays back .

48 meg's dedicated to the sound ROM .

Vocal kit .


Ability to layer 4 sounds together and split the keyboard 4 times .

Aftertouch + portamento easily accessable .


No OS for SD1 will be released that will incorporates DRUM REMIX feature and newer styles .

These are just some of the reason's I have always liked Ketron products .

I am an Authorized Korg , Roland , Ketron , Technics dealer in USA !

Dan O in Baltimore



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#188420 - 10/30/02 11:13 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
rolandfan Offline
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The music stores here in South Africa keep more Yamaha keyboards than Roland.... never tried out a VA 7 ...

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#188421 - 10/30/02 12:29 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Dreamer Offline
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Luis,
no arranger is perfect; the only way to attain perfection is to buy more than one, because each one has pros and cons.

(That's why I have an SD1, a VA7 and am planning to buy a 9000 pro...)

(Okay, better get going now...)
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#188422 - 10/30/02 12:52 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Clif Anderson Offline
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48 megs of sound ROM. The spec is the same for the SD1, 9000Pro and the VA76.

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#188423 - 10/30/02 12:55 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
trtjazz Offline
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The Ketron's do not have the same multi pad functions as do the Yamaha's....you can add the hard drive to the Yammy, but can't add the multipads to the Ketron.
Terry
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#188424 - 10/30/02 01:12 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
DanO1 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Clif Anderson:
48 megs of sound ROM. The spec is the same for the SD1, 9000Pro and the VA76.



Clif ..........thanks for the correction !
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#188425 - 10/30/02 02:00 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Dreamer Offline
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Multipads are for the weaklings...


(please, note the blinking eye, you easily offended ones...)
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#188426 - 10/30/02 04:15 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Luis.Santos Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:

Here are a few things about the SD1 that set it apart from the Roland + Yamaha .

6 gig hard drive out of the box .

The hard drive is used very effectively for storing styles , sounds , midi sequences and wav files .
YOu can edit sounds , volumne levels, effects , transposition and panning
right on the hard drive while the sequence plays back .

48 meg's dedicated to the sound ROM .

Vocal kit .


Ability to layer 4 sounds together and split the keyboard 4 times .

Aftertouch + portamento easily accessable .


No OS for SD1 will be released that will incorporates DRUM REMIX feature and newer styles .

These are just some of the reason's I have always liked Ketron products .

I am an Authorized Korg , Roland , Ketron , Technics dealer in USA !

Dan O in Baltimore



Sorry, but you really wrote that "no" OS for SD1 will be released with drum remix and more styles or would your write that a "new" os will be released?...
I'm really curious...

By the way, can you please tell me anything about the "fell" of the keys on each keyboard? What's the keyboard that fells more closely to piano?... I've a VA-3 and I really hate the poor feel of the keys but I also have a roland XV88, with piano action, and it's really the best for me...

Anyone can help?...

[This message has been edited by Luis.Santos (edited 10-30-2002).]

[This message has been edited by Luis.Santos (edited 10-30-2002).]

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#188427 - 10/30/02 05:16 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
dlstarry Offline
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Luis
The VA76 has light key action.
The 9000 PRO is synth weighted, which is
lighter then piano weighted but heavier than
the regular weighted organ type keys.
As for the SD1 I can't say I have never had
a chance to try one out.
Denny
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#188428 - 10/30/02 05:20 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
trtjazz Offline
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Andrea,
LOL.....so now you know....I'm the "weakest link"
Terry
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#188429 - 10/30/02 05:48 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
DanO1 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luis.Santos:
Anyone can help?...


[This message has been edited by Luis.Santos (edited 10-30-2002).][/B]



The Sd1 does not feel like the XV88 . Neither does the VA76 or 9000pro .

A NEW OS will be introduced in the near future for the SD1 .


I have an MP3 available to give you an idea about what DRUM REMIX is all about .

Please email oneils44@comcast.net if you wish to here the examples .

dano


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#188430 - 10/30/02 05:54 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Luis.Santos Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:

The Sd1 does not feel like the XV88 . Neither does the VA76 or 9000pro .

A NEW OS will be introduced in the near future for the SD1 .


I have an MP3 available to give you an idea about what DRUM REMIX is all about .

Please email oneils44@comcast.net if you wish to here the examples .

dano




Yes, I know neither of these keyboard feel like the XV88, but whats the differences between the 3 keyboards?... Could you please give me a opinion if possible?

I've heard about the drum remix... will it really be implemented on the SD1?? You said new styles will be also aded to the SD1 by the new OS?? or will the new keyboards come up with more styles on rom?...

Concluding... can I buy a SD1 and then have all those features just installing the new OS or should I wait for the new SD1 with more styles and more features?...

Maybe I'd get the SD1 this weekend... so some feedback will really be helpfull to the purchase!...or not...

Thanks for the help.

[This message has been edited by Luis.Santos (edited 10-30-2002).]

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#188431 - 10/30/02 07:17 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
DanO1 Offline
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If you purchase an SD1 , it can be updated with new OS 4.0 .


I also believe that the guitar strum imulation is better on the SD1 vs. the VA76 or 9000pro .

When you listen to the Sd1 styles , guitar strums are all over the place . Acoustic guitar strums can be found on style 8beat 04 and 16 beat 01 . Ask a salesperson if they know how to isolate a part of the style .

Chord 2 of these styles have the guitar parts .


Also ...listen to the great vocal sounds and vocal drum kits ! They are very unique vs. the other keyboards .

See if your salesperson can add a volumne pedal and check out the wha -wha effect under the ON LINE EFFECTS button . Select a rock guitar sound and apply the wha - wha . It is a totally cool tool !


OH ...no vocal harmony kit or hard drive on the VA76 . A hard drive can be added to the 9000pro , but 6 gigs is already on the SD1 .

If you buy an SD1 , make sure the OS is at least 3.0b .

If the OS is not 3.0b , you know the keyboard has been in the stores inventory for a while . dano in baltimore


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#188432 - 10/31/02 02:32 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Luis.Santos Offline
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DANO1, could you please answer my previous post about the drum remix feature feature and the new styles you mentioned?...
What about the keys on the SD1 vs 9000pro? can you tell me something?...

Is the OS4 already avaiable?

tHanks a lot for the help!...

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#188433 - 10/31/02 04:38 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Dreamer Offline
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Luis, OS 4.0 for the SD1 should be released within one month and should include a lot of new features, so better wait a little more.
Re. keys feel: neither the SD1 nor the 9000 pro have a piano-like action; the choice is a matter of taste, because the keys are also shaped differently, so nobody except you can tell which one is better.
Maybe, if you could explain what kind of music you play or what your needs are we could help you more with your choice.
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#188434 - 10/31/02 06:37 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Uncle Dave Offline
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I'm pretty fussy about key feel, and I love a good, solid feeling under my fingers. The three kb's mentioned are different, but all share a strong, solid feel. The VA76 has the longest keys (I don't like that), but the pressure feel is better than average.
The 9kpro has the same keys as the TritonPro uses, in case you've played that model. I like the 9kpro keys alot - they take alot of "digging in" and handle it well. They just MAY be the loudest "mechanical" action of the 3, in case you record in a studio environment with live mics ..... just a FYI.
The SD1 has similar, but a bit smoother key action than the Yamaha. Matter of taste. Both are good - both are different, in their own way.

NONE of these three even remotely fells like a piano action. NONE of them....so please don't kid yourself. Is that what you are trying to find out? They are ALL synth/organ feel, but they ARE among the best feeling choices out there today.
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#188435 - 10/31/02 10:40 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Midnite Rider Offline
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Doesn't the SD-1 have Flash ROM OS? If so, who cares if he get old inventory, just update it? If not... bad news.

Midnite

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#188436 - 11/01/02 07:09 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Luis.Santos Offline
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I've read that new styles will be also aded to the SD1 by the new OS?? or will the new keyboards come up with more "internal"styles ?...

Concluding... can I buy a SD1 now (and don't care about the OS installed in it)and then have all those new features just installing the new OS or should I wait for the new SD1 with more styles and more features?...

(Sorry for repeating myself but I didn't understand this...)

[This message has been edited by Luis.Santos (edited 11-01-2002).]

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#188437 - 11/01/02 10:02 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Dreamer Offline
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The new styles and features come with the new OS (4.0), but if you wait just 2 or 3 weeks you will have all these features installed directly on ROM, instead of having to load them from the floppy disk.
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#188438 - 11/01/02 11:56 AM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Luis.Santos Offline
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Cool!
Do you mean, even if I get a SD1 with a old OS, like OS3, I can load from the floppy disk the new OS 4.0 and after that the keyboard will be just like a SD1 bought already with the OS 4.0 ?

The new styles and features come with the new OS (4.0), but if you wait just 2 or 3 weeks you will have all these features installed directly on ROM, instead of having to load them from the floppy disk.[/QUOTE]

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#188439 - 11/01/02 12:46 PM Re: VA76, SD1 or PSR9000pro? Help me please...
Dreamer Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luis.Santos:
Cool!
Do you mean, even if I get a SD1 with a old OS, like OS3, I can load from the floppy disk the new OS 4.0 and after that the keyboard will be just like a SD1 bought already with the OS 4.0 ?




Exactly.
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