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My advice would be to get your favourite srx expansion board for your g70

In due time I will check all the SRX boards in the Roland library out for sure ...which ones have you tried ?
Thanx for the advice

Dnj, you can listen to demos of the SRX boards on Roland's site. Some of them are really nice. When you get the time go have a listen.
www.rolandus.com

Squeak

Thanx Squeak....yes the Roland library is wonderful the SRX boards can really let you customize your rig beyond belief....I will be looking into these very very soon.

Rolandfans reply was a dig at what he feels about the sounds in the G70. You've read the rest of his postings about the G70?? You don't need to rush into an SRX board until you've really got into the G70 and decided which particular sounds you can live with and which you HAVE to have replaced (I still don't have one after a year of use - currently I'm waiting to see if they bring out an SRX board to add in some of the sounds from the E80!)

The place to store and quickly retrieve user registrations (UPGs in Rolandspeak) is the User Program Set (UPS). The first thing to know is that as you place UPGs into the Set List, you are NOT erasing them from memory...... So don't worry about overwriting the List. The UPGs are still stored in memory, they just are no longer on the list...... (think of the UPS as a super Set List).

Firstly, I would set up a simple 'basic setup' that you can call styles into and set split points, Vel curves (medium is my fave) and arranger chord modes. Then store that as a UPG and give it a name by doing page 110 in the manual......

Look, I could write for several pages, but you can get the info faster from the manual. There's a good Quick Start section at the beginning........ that'll get you off the ground. Then read the chapter on User Programs and the User Program Set, and after that, well, cover to cover is not a bad idea!

Oh, and make sure (in the Menu->Utility->Startup) that Sound Set Mode is set to Extended (otherwise you don't see all the Tone Patches.

Once you have a basic UPG that gets you up and running the fastest, store it and then make it the default Startup UPG (same menu page). Now your G70 will power up with your basic setup every time.......

I sometimes will ask a store that I'm trading in a gig machine for a new one if I can give them an extra $50 or so to be able to keep my trade-in for a week or so while I set up the new one....... This makes it not such a hassle trying to get things right in too much of a hurry, but I'm sure that if you give the manual a good read, you'll get the hang of the G70 really quickly........

Sorry the Danish Forum is still down, but, as I said, the Tips and Tricks and other parts of the site work just fine.........

Best of luck on the gig!

Diki........thanx so much for the help.....In starting to get the idea of the G70 OS.......the more I read the manual & talk to experienced owners.....your thoughts and ideas make much sense as I have done what you stated many times with previous KB's.....I have all the confidence that I will be up & running on stage in a week comfortably with the G70 after I get it in a few days....No Problems!!
I hope more G70 people chime in also.

Stay well

BTw Diki do you know if the G70 has the variation band selection like VA series used to have eg: bass/Drums, Small Combo, Full Band, etc etc ?..........

Stay well



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Donny,
You may have already read this post from another forum. Diki was involved with this discourse:

MikeTV
Member posted 02-27-2006 03:27 AM
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Hi
I own both a G-70 and a PA1X. I have owned the Roland for a while, and it is my regular gigging instrument. The Korg more is a more recent purchase to try out.

To my mind, there is no contest in terms of sound quality. The Korg sounds MUCH better than the Roland. I have spent countless hours working on the G70 fine tuning settings, and it still sounds nothing like as good as the Korg does straight out of the box. It also doesn't sound as good as the VA-76 I used to gig. The PA1X also has far superior styles in just about every genre and much better control over fill-ins and breaks.

That said, the Roland has one of the best thought out operating systems I have come across on any arranger of any brand. It's not absolutely perfect, but it is generally very easy to find your way around and is mostly very logical. You don't need to refer to the manual much, as most operations are obvious. The touch screen on the G70 is a lot better than the one on the PA1X and the visual design of the various screens is much more obvious to use.

I also like the inbuilt solid state memory and the excellent midifile handling of the Roland. It scores very highly for convenience all round.

The keybed feel of each instrument is quite different. The G70s keys have many fans as it has a somewhat more piano-like feel than many arrangers. It isn't weighted, but it has more than average resistance under the keys. The tops of the black notes also feel narrower than on many other instruments. The Korg has a more typical - but good quality - synth feel keyboard. I personally prefer the feel of the Korg, whereas many players like the G70 better. Aftertouch implementation on the G70 is particularly poor. It will only trigger one "effect" per section and is very on-off in feel. This is probably the biggest problem with it. Worst of any touch sensitive keyboard I have ever played. Older Rolands were much better.

To summarise:
* General ease of use and convenience - G70
* Ease of use when in midifile mode - G70
* Ease of use when in style play mode - PA1X
* Sound quality - PA1X (by a big margin)
* Style quality - PA1X (by a knockout)
* Ultimate versatility - PA1X (but learning curve is steep)
* Suitability for entertaining at tea-dances in the old folks home - G70
* Suitability for everything else - PA1X
* Inspiration factor - PA1X (by a mile)

.......but I'm sure others will tell you different :-)

Regards - Mike

Mike thanx for the info.. I was an old Korg fan for many years performing with many of their KB units thru the years....
I always play a KB before I buy one ....& I just feel the G-70 will suit MY NEEDS after playing one & going thru its features.
I'll know more in a few days....
more to come.

Donny.. My apologies for invading your thread here but I just can't help escape this thought... the more I read it, the more I'm seeing that all of this stuff is just too subjective based on what each individual likes, for me to use it toward any meaningful decision about a kb.

Case in point: Mike TV and I are practically on exact opposite sides of the spectrum. I happen to think the sounds for me are among the weaker points of the PA series, yet I understand and like the OS better certainly than comparable Yamahas.... and yet I know I'm way in the minority about the OS. Yet if I was looking at the synth patches as my primary lead instruments instead of the guitar and pianos, then I'd probably like the PA the best

I'm just glad that I get to side by side all of them, because I think what I'm really saying is that what I or anyone else thinks of the sounds and styles and OS.. etc etc probably shouldn't be all that important to a person looking at one of these creatures.. because in the end I think it's likely that we'd probably see it a little different than the next person anyway.

AJ

Not sure what you mean from the VA series (never made it to my area).......

There's a way to use the D-Beam to drop to just Bass and Drums and back (and other things) p.65 in the manual

BTW..... my best 'tip' is BUY AN FC-7.

Firstly, it's programmable (unlike the G1000). Globally, unfortunately, but better than nothing, eh?

A lot of things you would normally have to do with fingers can be taken to your feet. My setup is........ (from left to right)

Variation 1
Variation 2
Variation 3
Variation 4 (these also trigger the fill if Auto fill-in On)
Lower Sustain
Upper Sustain
Leslie Fast/Slow

Hence one pedalboard for my whole rig....... (although I am thinking of adding a pedal to do Start/Stop - well away from the FC-7 - I don't like to put things at my feet that can potentially ruin a performance!)

Diki on the VA7/76 there was a screen that showed three icon pics..

bass/drums/small combo/full band

as a style was playing you could go on this display and by simply hit each icon it with strip the style to one of these three options....very useful in live play.....I was wondering if the G70 has it or can do it ...I will look at the manual asap.

Aj..... I just hope this thread teaches peole a few things including myself I agree with your thoughts & concerns....it boils down to what YOU like .....even trying one in the store does NOT guarantee HAPPINESS......that might or might not come in a few months down the road....its the nature of the beast in this game.......you either deal with it, change it, or just sell it......do whatever it takes best you can & hopefully in the end if there is ever an end BE HAPPY with your choice without letting anyone sway you...
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!!

Good Luck

No, G70 doesn't have that........ nice idea, wonder why they dropped it?

There are solo and mute buttons for the parts, and ways to go to B&D only and back, but nothing like that (although you could program a UPG with the setting and bang into it on the fly......)

It seems Roland always look for the MOST useful feature in an arranger to leave off the next model...... (hint, hint, Chord Sequencer......!)

No u got me wrong. I think anybody who likes a g70 can only like even more and have more variety of sounds with an expansion board. My fav is the asian one..ITS ORIENTAL DRUMS ARE BETTER THAN ANYTHING COMPARABLE. The e80 has 2 srx slots. Thats even more better. If u read my post i did say i loved the choir sounds, trumpets,and accordions of the g70 itself. But man those expansion boards are WORTH the extra cost.

The feature on the Va series Im refering to is cal "THE ORCHESTRATOR"






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The feature on the Va series Pg 63 in the va76 manual Im refering to is called
"THE ORCHESTRATOR"

http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manuals/VA-76_OM.pdf




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Another thing I noticed & forgot to talk about was that while playing the G70 & moving around thru different modes, sounds, menus was that it was lightning fast....everything changed instantly......on my Tyros 2 there is a very small time LAG in comparison when changing modes, or accessing the SEQ search for a SMF or lyrics mode out of style play etc etc .....this was another factor that made me smile on the G70.

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A real good try Dnj but in this forum perhaps nearly impossible.

ha ha jealousy runs wild as predicted, or Maybe some people can't read the Title of this thread?

The term: "Makeup Tools" just sounded to me a little odd for: music song & style editing. I posted the pic merely tongue n' cheeck, and apologize if I offended any G70 owners. Btw: Just because I didn't purchase a G70 doesn't mean I'm not a G70 fan. I appreciate all the top arranger keyboards out there: G70, Tyros2, Pa1X, GEM Genesys, etc. - Scott

When i had a va5 i remember something called style orchertrator that gave u 3 different band sizes...the g70 surely has an even better version of this feature

Roland fan ...it indeed has it "covered"..

As I have said in may other posts in other threads, there is no perfect keyboard. Some people may prefer the T2's clean sound, others might find the Korg's electronic timbres appealing, yet someone else may prefer the live styles of the Ketron. They are all right - every keyboard has its own strong points and shortcomings, and someone may find one or another board a greater inspiration to them. No need to start a big argument here.

I personally like the Roland sound. So I voted with my feet - I bought a G70.

You gotta realize that posting in a general forum is bound to get a general audience ( no surprise I'm sure ). I understand your intention but maybe it would have been better posted in a Roland specific forum like http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=38 if you wanted a more restricted audience. Of course there is no need to but when you do post here just don't be surprised by all the non Roland users that use this forum.

( No need to discuss this any further as it just moves discussion away from the original intent of the thread )



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Makeup Tools are what G70 users use to reconcile with non-G70 users when they hijack our threads........ ;-)

Alex did I understand correctly? You bought a G70?

Great..I think this keyboard is capable of being the most versatile keyboard EVER!!

Another make up tool:

Fran, Yes, I did indeed buy a G70. I found a great deal which I could not pass up. I think that the G70 addresses most of the concerns I have had about the G1000.

Unfortunately, I am going out of town for a week and won't be able to play it till I come back. I will be in Baton Rouge, LA. Unfortunately, it's about a 4 hr drive from Don Mason, otherwise, I would love to meet him (in person).

Regards
Alex

Good luck with your new G70 Alex you made a fine choice keep us posted on your progress & maybe a MP3 song when you get a chance....

me & fran are right behind ya



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