All greetings! My name is Stanislav.
I the schoolboy from Russia. To me of 15 years.
I am fond of music since the birth Only in musical school has gone enough late, to 10 years, on a class of a piano. Now I play on keyboard PSR-550 which we have bought 4.5 years ago. At us in Rossi, to be exact in that small town in which I live, there are no teachers which could train in game on a synthesizer, therefore it is possible to tell that I the self-educated person Many teachers even name me young Mozart
Very much I like to play the Jazz, Dance, Disco Classics and many other styles, also I do original music on popular songs (Minusovki), I like to compose and improvise. (If it is necessary I can send on e-mail song Gloria Gaynor - I Will Survive.midi by which I did 2 years ago.) But on my present "synthesizer", with increase of professionalism, all is more difficult and more difficult to become to write down that that it would be desirable.
My dream it - Tyros or Motif ES, for us it is unreal dearly, (at us these tools cost 3600-3700 $, for our family what to earn so much money, it is necessary to work 7 years, and it without charges on a life At me it is already cunning that I can fall asleep dreaming about these tools Please, help with purchase of one of these of the tool, I shall be grateful all life…. If it is necessary, it is ready to pay for the help, by songs which will be made on the future tool…

Excuse for my English, translated through the translator..

My mail: Fedchenko_stas@mail.ru and fedchenko-stas@narod.ru
Ç/Û: Sorry for Off Topic


[This message has been edited by Stas (edited 03-08-2004).]

[This message has been edited by Stas (edited 03-08-2004).]

Hey great post Stas and welcome to the zone!

I will need first for you to send me $1000 US funds to prove good faith. Only after I get these funds will I provide you with some funds too!

This will be such a fun way to trade funds!

I think it's great and hope you get a lot of people to give you money, what with having to work for seven years and all to buy a Tyros. I guess you could move to where the jobs are, but you probably have a sick relative you are taking care of and I can understand you having to stay where you are.

Yeah, send me the check and then I'll send you some money back too!

Tommy

Tommy

May I also send you some money so that I too can be part of this delightful charitable exercise?

And will you send me money back too?

Really?

If I give you dollars, can you give me Euro's?

Oh I do hope we can all be friends. That would be so much fun.

(I translated this from delusional into _R_u_s_s_i_a_n_ _B_e_g_g_e_r) Could you tell?

Jerry

hey stas
I tought my self mostly keyboard since I was 9, I used to take piano lessons for about a year then stoped, sold the keyboard(forgot those notes). didn`t play for a while , then bought another Yamaha (psr-220), and begun to play, or teach myself,now I have Roland VA-76 I make music for people (I don`t use any styles I make my own tracks and stuff) and next I`ll buy musicworkstation like Korg Trinity or something which doesn`t have any styles.I made music on Yamaha Psr-550 before and the music came out nice(I didn`t use any styles)
if you want you can send me your song that you said you made, and I can send you some songs I made.

I have send you my songs on Mail.



[This message has been edited by Stas (edited 03-09-2004).]

Stas, I am from Moscow. At my 15 I was living at small town Anapa and can't even dream about any kind of Yamaha or Roland. Than I worked (more than 7 years, sure) and now I have both Yamaha PSR9000 and Roland VA-76, and laptop, and many other things.

Never beg for money. Ask only for a job or advice.

Stas,
You want a great upgrade, from 550... to Tyros!

I'll tell you something: a lot of european and USA musics can't have a Tyros, nor a PA1X, nor a Technics KN7000. And they are music people, and they make music.

Life is long for you, because you are very young, Stas. So, go not so quickly in your desires. You may make very good music without a Tyros or similar high-end kbs. You may work and make money: then, you may buy a used but good kb, there are a lot kbs for to buy not so priced as Tyros and very good too... And little by little, you will grow in personality and music ability.

But asking for a Tyros, NOW, perhaps is not the better desire. Ask for that you may have now, not dreams. Dreams will arrive tomorrow, but now you are 15 year old...

Hope life is going to be good to you. But you must be good with life first, you know?

cheers

You knowhat guys, I think everyone whose an arranger/portatone keyboard should get rid of it and get a MusicWorkstation. You konw why? Did you ever saw a professional musician or a hitmaker or producer that has an arranger keyboard? NO. Workstations have better sounds and sequencer and you can even edit sounds. When I get rid of VA-76 I`ll get KORG Trinity or something like that, that has no styles, because I never use them. And nobody should use styles, everyone should make their own tracks, like real musicians, real musicians don`t use styles nor arranger keyboards. Amen.

Vadim said, "real musicians don`t use styles nor arranger keyboards. Amen."
You just started a war. You are in the wrong forum. "And nobody should use styles, everyone should make their own tracks". How would a musician play LIVE with MIDI tracks. Lets say you want one more chorus. You are locked in to your pre-recorded tracks. How do you sound fresh every time you play a song? It will always sound exactly the same.
"Did you ever saw a professional musician or a hitmaker or producer that has an arranger keyboard?" Did you ever see Gary, U.D., Donny, Beachbum,etc., with their ARRANGER keyboards?
Starkeeper

Wow Vadim..... I'm afraid Starkeeper is right : You started a war !!
Your statements make me extremely curious in the music you created as a 'real musician'.

You must be a VERY 'real' musician to beat the latest arranger keyboards .... so please show your products/songs

My view :
Some musicians play music and entertain for a live audience. Keyboardists like us are very flexible and can anticipate on people's wishes in a split second.... with the help of arranger keyboards.

Vadim : Tell us your secret. How do you perform as a "real musician" ?

Roel

I'm sorry, but you react as if there's nothing but using either pre-cooked styles or pre-cooked MIDI-files. What about performing live with a BAND? Or creating your song entirely by yourself, using the arranger as a tool rather than relying on the pre-cooked styles to reach your goal?

I use my arranger keyboard for composing. I use the styles, but only to set up a rough sketch of a song. I will never use a style or a midifile on stage. Does that make me a "real" musician? No, I think I would say it makes me a real composer/creator of music. Not more a "real" musician than the next guy that does use styles or midifiles when he's on stage.

Let's just say we both use different methods to entertain people. I use the arranger to develop songs, to be played live with a live band eventually.


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Roland EXR-5 user - http://www.exr5.tk

"Real musicians play in a real band they don't use cheesy home keyboards." LOL

I'm just kidding,

I think you should use the tool that suits your needs best, If you want to perform solo (and you don't want to lower yourself to midi files and true karaoke), there's no other option than the Arranger keyboard, you can't let a full virtual band play and let it do whatever the player demands on a synth workstation, they just don't have these capabilities, Arranger keyboards and workstations are two different cups of tea, like apples and oranges, However I think if you are really into composing, I think a synth workstation is a much better option, and maybe even better, a combination of an arranger and a synth.
We all have our own ways of creating music, whether its using an arranger, synth workstation, piano, software etc.
There's no need to disrespect each other for our ways of doing things, or to call people "unprofessional" because they choose to use different tools than you do.

Greetz ,
Marcel

Wow! I'm sure glad I'm just an entertainer instad of a real musician. Being a REAL MUSICIAN sounds like it's way beyond my expertise. I would really like to hear some creations posted on this forum by REAL MUSICIANS.

Cheers,

Gary

Ok ok,
What I just wanted to say with this is this When I bought an Arranger keyboard I liked it and stuff. But when I got into searching the internet about famous musicians, most of them use Workstations so I got very disapointed , and I also got sorry that I bought an Arranger because I thought most of the people use Workstations and I thought I was sort of "left behind" , and then there is this one friend of mine that keeps telling me: "why didn`t you buy a Korg Triton a music workstation" and that gets me mad because he puts down my Arranger keuyboard, and it makes me feel sort of.. you know..and by the way starkeeper manssioned those pros that use Arranger keyboards...
I think I should listen more to you guys then those putting down arrangers.
Thanks guys for manssioning those pros that use arranger keyboards, You saved my life, I used to think that pros use musicWorkstations, Thanks guys, I`m happy now with my VA-76. Sorry for starting this war, I surrender


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And by the way, when I was thinking about buying a Workstation, i thought about how do I gonna play live and I disapointed and stuff. and I thought about transfering styles and accompniments into a Workstation whe I will buy it, But now...
You know what? before this I was confused about keyboards and thiught I`m one of the few that uses arranger, But you guys puted me on the right track and I don`t feel sorry for having an Arranger.

I've produced MORE music with my KN3000 and 5000 ARRANGERS than my "WORKSTATION" Korg Triton Studio....

It's not what the keyboard can do, but it's how much you're comfortable with the keyboard.

Although now I can navigate myself slightly better than when I first started, I know I only use probably about 5-10% of the keyboard capacity...knowing that I've plunked down about almost 3000 bux of my hard-earned money.

Most pros here probably (very likely) can produce much better music with "just" a PSR 100 more than our 'workstations'

Gary,

When you get tired of "playing" your keyboard - maybe you could sit around on the computer and just ask for help [donations] from all the other musicians tryng to make a living and working as hard as H__L. Sounds like that might work (NOT !!).

(You're probably not Russian though)

vc

Quite a childish response. Besides, I do agree with Vadim that writing, arranging and performing your own music entirely takes more skills than someone who buys the MIDIfile of "My Way" and plays the melodyline himself.

And I'm NOT saying YOU'RE doing that, I'm saying there is a difference. And there certainly is a difference in skills. It takes a little more to come up with your own compositions instead of playing along with precooked backtracks. Styles or SMF, same thing.

I use my arranger at home, but I will never take it with me on stage. Not because it's useless on stage (it's nonsense that you can't take a "cheesy" homekeyboard with you on stage, like Wazza suggested), but because I don't need it there.

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Roland EXR-5 user - http://www.exr5.tk

Are'nt definitions mixed up here ?
a. musician
b. 'real' musician
c. composer
d. arranger
e. bandmember

Personally I see no difference in needed skills for a (real?) musician that is a band member and a musician using an arranger keyboard : The arranger in fact IS the band !

Only very few musician are good composers.
Not every composer is a good arranger.
Many highly trained/educated musicians cannot play one single note without sheetmusic..... are they 'real' musicians or 'score-player robots'?
Other musicians cannot read one single note but play fantastic music. (Ever heard the Rosenberg Trio ?)

Please do not put lables, depending on what gear/methods we use. We should respect all musicians...... ;-)

DITTO!

Gary

The Intro and Endings Don't sound bad on these arrangers; at least.


O8

I'm much too busy making a living with my arranger keyboard to get involved in this string.
DonM

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String? Its more like a fraid knot. While trying to make sense of it, I had calls for two new jobs. Will anyone convince me you can't be a professional musician or entertainer with an arranger? 'Fraid not.
Eddie

The mega star and legend that is David Bowie was on TV recently promoting a song from his new album and he performed on stage, with his band playing a STYLOPHONE.

Don't know if you folks in the US know what they are but they are like a little toy keyboard with a distinctive (grating) sound, only plays one note at a time and promoted heavily in the seventies as a novelty. You play it by rubbing the stylus up and down the metal keyboard. VERY BASIC.

My point is that to most 'Real' (whatever that means) musicians the tools do not matter a hoot. You use what you can in whatever way you need to to get the music out of your head and into other folk's ears.

Lonnie Donnegan pioneered Skiffle by making music with an old washboard and some thimbles. Have any of you ever seen a photo of that old beat up guitar Elvis cut his first tracks with at Sun?

The tools don't matter IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!!

See you got me shouting now!
Best wishes
Tony

Stas,
I checked my mail 2 days for your music file that you e-mailed to me, and I didn`t reiceive it, did you send it to a correct address, once again my e-mail is: vadim_@musician.net

Come on, you got to know this is a scam. You aren't going to get any of his "music files" in email.

It's a lame ploy to see if maybe one gullible person out of 1000 will send a little money.

Probably isn't Russian. Probably isn't 15. Probably doesn't need an Arranger. Probably doesn't play music.

I see these scams all the time for PayPal and eBay and am just amazed at people who respond.

My initial response was a joke to show the absurdity of his post, but it turned into a big long thread about real musicians, etc.

Blah blah blah.

Tommy

Forget about those "real" musicians and arranger workstations, I DON`T CARE ANYMORE, who likes Arranger keyboards should keep on liking them, who likes MusicWorkstations should keep on liking those MusicWorkstations.

Well IMO some people here gotta get thicker skins, I've been reading this and some other posts for awhile.

So some dude/total stranger says "hey arranger's are really not pro grade stuff or this so and so PRO KB also has amature features"

so basically what meaning do most of the replies say? (flavored with sarcasm so dont get pissed off)well for me at least "OH YES I AM A PRO AND DONT YOU FORGET IT" and "OH NO MY KB IS FOR PRO'S ONLY" or mainly" DON'T EVER CALL OR ASSOSIATE ME WITH AN AMATURE"

IE its like some are trying to reassure everyone.

Now I know all guys, me included have pride and an ego just slightly larger than the sun But com'on, we all know who we are and how talented or proficient we are at whatever we do right?

If it isnt a personal or illegal remark,who cares? they dont know you or you them,ingore it and move on, its the internet for pete's sake.

But then again, mabey your just bored and pissed off, then by all mean give em heck

Peace



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Nope .... here's we're more like family than anywhere else. We won't sit around and let anyone trash our livelihoods! For pete's sake ......... just because we use the internet to communicate, that doesn't mean we have to loose our identities. I'm prowd to say that some of my dearest friends have been introduced to me because of THIS VERY SITE. Personal is what we're all about. We get testy sometimes, and we all need to be put in our place once in a while, but the general M.O. around here is H*E*L*P one another. Begging is beneath the dignity of this fine batch of people, and that's why you see the outlash of sarcasm.
It's a healthy outlet, don't you think?

We are helping Stas pretty much in this topic...

Greetings Vadim. I sent you the demos songs 10.03.04 more. I send still rez today. If to fail, can try on other box?

Here url to mine demo midi.
http://fedchenko-stas.narod.ru/Demo_Midi.rar
Here 4 demos songs, and 1 full version that you could estimate.
4-songs are made with the help of styles which are built - in in PSR-550
1-I will survive, has been made on a computer in Cakewalk Home Studio 2004. - one of soundtracks professionally made by me.

Stas,
Thanks for the URL and sharing the songs.
The song 'I will survive' sounds very good.

You started playing at the age of three ... because Edirol Mi published 'your' song in 1992......correct ?
I only notice some track-doubling in your latest version. All basic tracks (piano, bass, drums, strings, brass etc ) are exact copies of the 1992 version. (:-(
Professionally made on computer by you ?


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ROEL,

So you enjoyed Stas' midi song? That's pretty interesting - 3 years old? That's even more interesting !!

vc

VC,
Yes.... interesting

You that are dared? ) 3 years me a synthesizer have bought only in 11 years. And I did this song when to me there were 13 years i.e. did a soundtrack. But that that you have listened to it 1\30 a part of my repertoir, therefore I ask to not judge strictly as these melodies entered the name 2-3 years ago And it is possible for me to listen to yours midi?

Arranger keyboards are better than Workstations. I can say that cos its RIGHT forum hehe

Stas,
I am sorry, but I do not understand what you are saying... one more try :

1.Your age is 15 ?

2. Your 'I will survive' is NOT yours, because Edirol created the midifile in 1992.... unless your played it as Edirol employee at the age of (2004-1992 = 12) 15 - 12 = THREE ?

3. Since I own an arranger keyboard I stopped recording MIDI-songs. All songs I did create many years ago are gone.

4. Yes you can listen to some of our recordings at http://turforkest.iuma.com

Please come 'back to earth', admit you are not a professional soundtrack-creator but simply took an existing MIDI-file and duplicated some tracks.... please ?
Be honest !




[This message has been edited by Roel (edited 03-14-2004).]

Now I have understood that you had in view of
1) Yes, me of 15 years
Certainly I have not composed this song. I have simply made the version of a karaoke. Thus I have taken party Piano from another midi, Drum I have created in Cakewalk with the help patch's. I all wrote down the rest in Cakewalk.

at me request to owners Tyros and Korg PA1X (pro) .Can you to transfer my version songs " I Will survive " on the tool, in mp3? (I simply would like to compare quality of sounds on these tools)

Terry


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jam on,
Terry http://imjazzed.homestead.com/Index.html

There are many other causes to help than some con man. !!

BTW, to get respect, one has to give respect. This goes for those who think that they are better than somebody else. Always remember that there IS ALWAYS someone better than you.

I've used workstations and I use arrangers. They have their purposes and it takes intelligence to use a tool according to the requirements.

michael