I own a Roland G70 and a Yamaha Tyros2 and thought it might be beneficial to post some recordings of the same song recorded on both keyboards. The following song
“Under Paris Skies” was recorded on the Tyros using the French Musette style. It was recorded on the G70 using the French Valse style. The melody was recorded with an acoustic accordion. If you would like, I will post a few songs recorded on both keyboards using similar styles.
http://cpajimp.tripod.com/g70.mp3
http://cpajimp.tripod.com/tyros2.mp3

Not available for download??????

Eric

Eric,

It should be working now.

Jim

Jim nice job, I love that song!!! ....
boy am I glad I'm getting a G70 tomorrow ....

Please post more when you can.

Very nice job Jim.
Thanks for taking the time to offer up the demonstration.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

thanks for the work!
go on and record some more songs, we surely will enjoy listening!
could you record some funk/soul songs? i am quite curious how this is handled by g70 and t2, since korg probably has the best such styles.
best to you!

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Hi Jim

Enjoyed your accordian work,it was a great idea to compare the 2. The backround styles sounded about the same to me.

To me this shows well how the Tyros 2 3/4 rhythms have become much more um-pah-pah than they were. I love my Tyros 2 but the G70 style was much preferable to me.

Fortunately I kept my Tyros 1 styles and use the 3/4 ones more than the new Tyros 2 versions.

Graham

Jim they both sound great...........mostly because of the "real" accordion..Nice job..

As we older accordion players know..you can do a nice job with just the accordion..

Nice comparison. The styles do sound very similar although being used to the T2 I found the guitar parts and drums of the T2 style slightly more upfront than the G70's.
Nothing wrong with either of them though, the G70 style was nice and the accordion was great to hear.
* Not all of the waltz 3/4 styles sound like a German oomph pa pa, there's plenty of variation internally and on the net.

Jim, didn't know you had the G70, tho it doesn't surprise me! I'll be calling you soon.

Glenn

Does the Tyros2 have a 'width' control for drumkits? Or can you fairly easily adjust drum sound panning?

Both styles sounded very similar, and effective for the tune, and about the only thing that stuck out a little (for me, I have to now add!) was the exaggerated width of the Tyros' drums, especially cymbals.

When you are using stereo as a 'picture' in sound of a band, it's off-putting to 'see' the drumkit as being 20 ft wide! Sometimes sounds are pushed so far to the corners (most keyboards suffer from this problem, and few provide tools to correct it) that they literally envelop the rest of the band, something rarely seen (other than Carl Palmer of ELP!!).......

I'm not trying to 'dig' at the Tyros, I think this is a problem across the board, and I wish that, especially for drum kits, instead of a pan control (essentially useless) they had a 'width' control...........

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 07-24-2006).]

Jim, I love the song and the way you played it, thank you. ---more

As far as the comparison between keyboards--- My opinion – presuming you did not edit or adjust either keyboard---

Yamaha’s bass is too strong, a bit unnatural for that type of song. The G70 sounded even and natural.

The lead, the accordion was out front on the G70. On the Yamaha the lead seem to be at the same level as the style.

On my Tyros 2 I normally bring the style volume down somewhere between 85 and 90 so the melody stands our front.

John C.

I'm a solid Yamaha fan (love my PSR-3000) but I must say that the G70's style sounded more "musical" compared to the Tyros2's in this case.

JimP, nice job I enjoyed the comparison. I played your mp3s a number of times today both sound great, but the G70 has an edge..... slight as it may be.

MarcK I'm on the same page as you, I've got to be I have a PSR 3000 and a Clavinova CVP 307. But........... I preferred the G70.

Sometime ago I came across some G70 styles converted for the 3000. Gotta say I did my own comparison of the PSR's French Musette and the converted French Valse style using Under Paris Skies. I like the sound of the G70 converted style better.

If I had the extra cash laying around I'd just buy both the T2 and the g70. I'd also have to have one of the attorneys I do work for handle the divorce



[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 07-24-2006).]

Hi Jim,

thanks for making the link work.

I'm with Marck and Stephen: even though I own the T2, I like the G-70 Style better.
It would be great to compare other genres like Pop/Rock and Dance/Disco.
Those are the styles I use and that's why I choose the T2.

Thanks again for sharing.

Eric

Finally had a chance to sit down and have a listen to both your MP3 demos (btw: very nice REAL accordion playing). After first enjoying your performance itself, I went back and re-listened to each rendition to pay closer attention to the auto accomp rhythm sections of each keyboard with their similarly comparable styles.

I noticed right off that Tyros2's back instrument rhythm (on 2 & 3)is supplied by an organ(?) voice while the same beats 2 & 3 instr. rhythm on the G70 is played by a much more satisfying guitar voice with more of a 'swing feel' as well. In addition the G70's overall ambience & sound has more of a live presence & punch. Though both the Tyros2 & G70 versions both shine (in their own way), I admit that the G70 sounds more satisfying to my ears. Does this mean I'm now going to trade my Tyros2 in for a G70. No. Tyros2 includes features that the G70 that are more important (personally) to me. This includes Tyros2's smaller size (footprint) and lighter weight to benefit quick gig portability. Equally essential to me is Yamaha's auto accomp 'jazz style' rootless chord recognition. Adding this to Roland's current chord recogition palette would be relatively simple (via OS update), and can assure you, that recognized chords are FAR MORE universally recognized as these than the highly esoteric chords these voicing represent now. In FACT, Korg has recently followed Yamaha's & Technics earlier lead on this and has re-assigned these specific chord voicing to recognition them as jazz type (rootless) chords as well. Like I said in my earlier review of the G70, if Roland finally does add rootless jazz chord recognition, I'd seriously consider purchasing one as a master controler keyboard for my studio because I really like it's resposive key feel and navigation. Jim, thanks for taking the time to record and share your comparison demo. I'm now really anxious to hear some more T2/G70 comparison demos in other genres, like: Jazz combo, Big Band Swing, Latin (Bossa), and Country.

Scott

Donny, Dennis, Scott, Graham, Fran, Glenn, Diki, John C and Eric:

Thanks for your comments. I also think the G70 has the better French Musette style.
I like the swing feel and it sounds more live to me. The Yamaha style feels more mechanical. In the next week or two I will post some songs from different genres (latin, big band, jazz and ballads).

I will also post a summary of the features I like about each keyboard and the areas that I think could be improved.

Jim

The overall sound of the Technics KN7000 was excellent for 30’s and 40’s and big band. I bought a Tyros because the overall sound was more contemporary --- Stronger drums and stronger basses, they were out front.

The song that Jim has recorded, and I love it, is in the KN7 category, even sound and lighter bass. I would like to hear a more contemporary song played on both.

I do struggle with the melody not being out front on my Tyros 2. Putting the volume down on the style ALMOST seems to do the job.

John C.

jimP,
it seems to me that tyros style has a fingered bass line, while g70 an acoustic one.
is it true?

Jim ... just had a chance to listen ..... both very fine renditions ... being a former player, I LOVED the accordion, ... I preferred the G70 which was less 'boomy' than the Ty2 ...
t.

[This message has been edited by tony mads usa (edited 07-25-2006).]

What you hear depends on your installation.

Hi Jim,

Nice job ! I would appreciate more comparisons. I also own a G70 and a Tyros 2. For the musette below, I personnaly slightly prefer the G70 style. But, on average, I find that the Tyros 2 styles are considerably better than the ones of the G70. Sometimes, when I try to play a piece on the G70 with one of its style, I even shake my heads and think "Jesus, this style is really poor !". My intention is not to start a debate here, since we are talking about personal taste and what I write is only an opinion !

Best regards,

Jean-Pierre





[This message has been edited by mailibu (edited 08-02-2006).]

Very nice renditions of a beautiful melody.

Listening to both keyboards I found the sonic differences to be negligible and that one's buying decision would come down to other areas of consideration as outlined in Scottyee's post above.

It would be interesting to listen to the same style/song played through an E-80.
Speaking of which, I wonder if Roland is planning a major hardware/software update for the G-70, to implement all the improvements included in the E-80.

We are hoping that Roland will be able to implement the software improvements - primarily the improved OTS implementation and the .txt/.bmp style and song link (and Mark/Jump improvements), but it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Roland will ever do a hardware mod to bring the G70 up to E80 specs. That just isn't Roland's style (in fact, NONE of the major players - Yamaha, Roland OR Korg - ever do hardware retrofits to turn, say, a Triton into a Triton Extreme or a Motif into a MotifES or, dare I say it, a Tyros into a Tyros2).

In fact, although I think it would sell very well to G70 owners, I really doubt that Roland will even do an SRX board with the E80's extra sounds, to make it style compatible. The big 3 just expect you to sell off the old hardware and buy the new. Now Kurzweil, THERE was a company that went out of their way to allow you to retrofit older models to have the new features, but look at what happened to them...........

My guess is that by Winter NAMM or spring Musikmesse, we will be seeing the E80 electronics in a G70 form factor.