Its all coming back to me from my i3/i30 days ......the Korg way of utilizing styles is very kool when you have 16 bar loops with different things going on thruout the style play & variations......then when you throw in the 7th the walk-in really makes it come to life & the seq-way melds beautifully vs just a repetitious 8 bar loop that most arrangers use.
I'm diggin it baby!




[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-12-2007).]

Too right, Donny! That's why I've hung onto my i30 for so long. (Cost considerations of a new board also figure in there, too.) The i30 is STILL a damn good keyboard. I know some will disagree, but that's cool.

I'll certainly agree that, of all the arranger manufacturers, Korg seem to take the most time to make sure that the loops change a LOT, depending on what chord types you play. Unfortunately, other than the new Guitar Mode, all of that complexity comes from endless variations for each style, that have to be composed and recorded by the style maker.

This makes it quite a herculean task for any user to create styles that match the ROM ones. There is probably ten to twenty times as much information in these 16 bar patterns with multiple chord type variations. And even that pales compared to the i30 days, which, if I remember rightly, also took LH velocity, and RH speed into account when choosing parts to play...

As I've been saying on the '10 years later' thread, what we need is intelligent rules for arranger engines to follow, that generate this kind of complexity from simple source material, so a fairly simple user style can be interpreted automatically, to derive different patterns for a wider choice of chord types and playing styles...

I'm loving the styles on the PA800, 16 bar loops is so much more interesting while playing .....I'll agree the i-series is a classic for sure super KB!

http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/k/korg/s/sas20.html

This was my first "KORG" arranger....
talk about memories



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-15-2007).]

The SAS-20 was a gem...first auto-accompaniment home keyboard that didn't talk down to you.

Ian

I had both the i3 and then i30 over a period of six years and they were ahead of their time with style relating to different chord changes up to 16 looped styles. You could even edit these in each style. Totalling six chord variations.

Even Yamaha have improved from their then 2 & 4 bars looped styles.

Band In A Box has the idea of taking random style riffs from a style bank in each category which is possibly the way to go.

Maybe someday Yamaha will incorporate 16 bar loop styles also?

I did notice a few styles on the S900 with 16 bar loops..."Modern Jazz" and "Bebop" which has a 32 bar loop(very cool!) on variation "D"...along with quite a few that have at least 8 bars...so they are at least thinking getting more into it.

Most of my own custom styles are over at least 8 or 16 bars...gives them a more realistic feel(less repetition).

Ian

Ian I always liked the Bebop style on my 3k/T2....in fact the Pa800 has a drum solo loop in that style also quite like the Yammys also on Var4 very kool & useful.....now if Yammy can incorporate the MFD to save Transpose

Hard to say Donny...maybe they will.

I only know I'll be keeping my S900 till it's replacement comes out in a few years time...I've grown pretty fond of it and I'm comfortable with it's limitations.

Ian

Good luck with it until the S910,S920,S930 come out

Hi,
I go back to the i2/i3 days, so i haven't owned a korg in about 12 years.
I luv the PA800.

It's a great style structure, the styles can be as simple or complex as you want.
Then on top of that, THE PADS. They sync perfectly.

best wishes
Rikki

Check out the UN-Plugged styles & mix em with the percussion seq pads

I was wondering... could anyone post an example of a 16 bar style loop to hear the difference? It's not necessary to play notes... just the style running.

Yeppp Dreamer, ...

a simple chord progression like Am - G - F Em7, will do the trick

or they can choose whatever they want

Hi Donny,
I have.
Amazing how it changes the style by adding a pad or 2 (or up to 4.)

I was so dissapointed with the way my psr1500 pads synced. My timing must have been off. On occasions, I'd hit the pad, the first bar the pad would be playing catchup & the next bar I wouldn't hear it, from then on it would sync perfectly.

Haven't managed to do that with the PA800 pads. ( thank goodness) No matter when I press it, syncs perfectly.

They were a big decider for me.

best wishes
Rikki

Rikki the pads are wonderful on the Pa800......you can mix and match 1-4,
Edit PAD parameters & save on the fly.
They work Soooooo well......the guitars strums & arps can be used as intros or you can even play along with just some of the pad combinations to give a nice Un-Plugged feel that is so sweet, especially the orchestral & percussion....Korg really did their homework on the PADS for sure easily ADDING 4 more parts to your styles.

I agree, Dreamer, perhaps DNJ, or IUD(Illustrious Uncle Dave) could post some examples...

Perhaps Donny could kill two birds with one stone and grace us with a little demo of his allegedly fabulous PA-800, AND the styles in question.

He's obviously well, and back in the saddle...er...on the bench(newly upholstered ).

That would be just SUPER KEEN!

Ian

Next month I have a few days off maybe I can put some 16 bar factory style mp3 demo together for you.