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#171256 - 09/03/04 08:24 PM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
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There are a lot of very good guitar and bass voices that are suitable for live play, but not the megavoices.

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#171257 - 09/04/04 03:20 AM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
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Michael Bedesem's post explains everything there is to know about the megavoices. But also Yamaha explained this many times and if you have the manual it is explained too. The datasheet of Tyros and PSR3000 shows you exactly how the multisamples have been arranged across the keyboard.
Normally the velocity sensitivity only controls the volume (and perhaps filtering) of voices. Some effects, like the sweet! flute and some other voices, use velocity switching too, but in an easy controlable way.
You can argue if Yamaha should have programmed the megavoices in an other way. In fact they did that with the guitar Overdrive and Distoriton voices. You should be able to play this voice, because their buildup is simpler than for instance the Steel Guitar voice.
Overdive and Distortion voices:
C-B5: velocity= 1-55 is Open, 56-120 is Mute, 121-127 is Pick Harmonics.
Above C6 you have all the different effects for this voice.
Michel Voncken lets you hear these effects on the keyboard in his video.

Check the Data sheet of the PSR3000 and you can see why some megavoices are impossible to control by playing (mainly SteelGuitar and CleanGuitar).
With training you could try to play the following megavoices:
HiStringGtr, Overdrive, Distortion, 12StrGuitar, Fretless Bass and maybe the PickBass. (Note that Yamaha didn't use typical solo-instruments for megavoices, maybe that's why the Overdrive and Distortion voices have an easier buildup so they can be used in a solo).

Mind you, I didn't try it myself, but I draw my conclusion from the PSR3000 (and Tyros) Datasheet. But I also remember a mp3 played live(!) on Tyros, of someone playing a megavoice (it was probably the fretless Bass).

An advantage of playing these voices is, that you can use the special effects (above C6) too.

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#171258 - 09/04/04 05:22 AM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
Michael P. Bedesem Offline
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Users(e.g. Simon Williams) have managed to play megavoices by restricting the velocity they use, but it is very difficult to do.

It is easier to make the best performance using one of the preset voices and then run it through MegaEnhancer to add the effects. You can then go back and edit the effects track.

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#171259 - 09/04/04 07:18 AM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
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Still a little confusing, especially if you never owned a Yamamha, but thanks to you guys, I have a little more knowledge about MegaVoices.

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#171260 - 09/04/04 07:38 AM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
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Sorry to differ with you guys on the ability in playing Mega voices live, but one most certainley can play them live and I have. I also play them live using my Fantom as the controller.

The key in playing them live is velocity. The differing layers of the Megas trigger at differing velocities.

If one goes into the menu and chooses differing maximum velocities say at 80 the megas will play like any other guitar on board. Of course that also means that the dynamics will remain constant when played, but they most definately can be played.

I put up some samples at one point of this to which there was very little interest or response. It is a pure myth that they CANNOT be played live, however, they do sound best in styles that take advantage of all the velocities within the sample.

In using it in a style though one has to realize that it is a midi sequence that uses the differing velocities. That same thing can be acheived in multi track recordings which essentially is what the style sequence is doing.
Terry

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#171261 - 09/04/04 10:49 AM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
rattley Offline
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Registered: 11/14/99
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Hello.........Could someone send me some specific registrations or styles that utilize megavoices please? I understand how they work, but still am not sure how to apply them. I'm hoping I can analyze them if I have a working example. Thanks. -charley

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#171262 - 09/04/04 01:42 PM Re: PSR 3000 Mega Voices
drdalet Offline
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Registered: 09/28/03
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Quote:
Originally posted by trtjazz:
...If one goes into the menu and chooses differing maximum velocities say at 80 the megas will play like any other guitar on board. Of course that also means that the dynamics will remain constant when played, but they most definately can be played.
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Hi Terry.
Of course you are right, but there is no point in playing just one of the layers of a megavoice, without the special characteristics that 'make' it a MEGAvoice - I would prefer any of the normal voices instead.
When people say they want to play a megavoice LIVE, they want all the special sounds like strum and fret noise as well.
Otherwise there are some good sweet! and live! voices to use, right?
However I will try - once I have the PSR3K - to play around with the Overdrive and Distortion guitar voices, because I feel you can play them live without adjusting velocities. Maybe it helps to change the overall velocity response of the keyboard. You can then once in a while play notes in the upper octave to get the special effects as well.
BTW: I played on a PRS3000 and it played better for me when I set the velocity sensitivity to "soft1" instead of "normal".


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