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#169909 - 05/02/05 07:41 AM Foot switch uses
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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What have you found to be your most useful use of a footswitch?

Vocal harmony on/off for me. I guess either Layer or Left Hand Voice might be next.

It would be cool if you could use foot switches to trigger a LOT of things on/off on an arranger.
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#169910 - 05/02/05 07:56 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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I use footswitch Pedal 1 for master volume.
footswitch 2 for fill +
footswitch 3 for one touch setting +
This is on the PSR 9000
Bebop
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#169911 - 05/02/05 08:23 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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On the Ketron SD1, I have a sustain pedal, a volume pedal and a 6-button switch. The buttons can be assigned to almost anything. I have them currently assigned to:
Vocal Harmony on-off
Break
Fill 1
Fill 2
Fill 3
Quick Ending
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#169912 - 05/02/05 08:28 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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On my psr 2000 I use both foot switches for differing the sound of any style. One switch is for break and the other is for fill to self. I use these both to alter the drums a lot while using arranger styles. It seems to me to be the best way to make the styles sound the least repetitive. Well and variation of course too, but that is one I change not quite as often and can use the panel button. I also have a registration that changes my foot switch settings only, like for organ sounds I use the dsp/dsp variation a lot via footswitch.

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#169913 - 05/02/05 09:24 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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For live performance,these are the essential 4 footswitch triggered arranger keyboard functions that I require:

1) Damper Sustain
2) Vocal Harmony on/off
3) Fill to self
4) Reg Mem. Advance +

SemiLive: I previously used a Yamaha MFC10 pedal unit:



which has a dizziying number of programable footpedals to assign just about any keyboard function (supported via midi) to footpedal control. Not only was it difficult to operate onstage trying to remember what each of it's many banks & associated pedals was programmed for, but cumbersomely heavy to drag around as well.

The Tyros has only three 1/4" footpedal outputs, but fortunately, with the addition of the small lightweight 'midi footswitch'controller box from Midi Solutions:




http://midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm

I'm able to trigger four (and all I really need) via an FC2 Technote brand 4 pedal footpedal controler unit:



which I custom hardware configured to work on the Tyros.

Scott

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#169914 - 05/02/05 09:40 AM Re: Foot switch uses
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Hey that's cool Scott. Four should be enough to vary the sound. I wonder if that would work with a psr2000.

I need to look at yours, Don, sometime. It's interesting what the future will allow you to do.
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#169915 - 05/02/05 09:46 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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Semilive: If you're refering to the MidiSolutions "FootSwitch Controler", yes it will work on the PSR2000 too. I believe that the PSR2000 only includes 2 onboard footpedal outputs, so if you want to trigger 4 total footpedal functions, you'll need to purchase TWO midi "FootSwitch Controler Boxes" from MidiSolutions.

SemiLive: Exactly what FOUR functions are you wanting to trigger via footpedal?

You'll need to verify via your PSR2000 Data List manual that these specific functions are supported via midi on your keyboard.

Scott
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#169916 - 05/02/05 10:06 AM Re: Foot switch uses
to the genesys Offline
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For live performances I use.
1. Damper Sustain
2. Start stop
3. Fill to self


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#169917 - 05/02/05 10:58 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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Bill..
Keep in mind you can assign different foot switch functions for EACH registration. In a piano reg you might want one pedal for sustain and another for fill to self.

But, switch to guitar and you might want to assign what was the sustain pedal to Glide for a country or blues number.

As far as triggering Vocal Harmonies, on the 2000 I found the easiest way was just to use the VH button on the board.

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#169918 - 05/02/05 11:23 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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Scott, I'd use it like you do except I don't know if I need one assigned for Sustain.

The Midi Solutions controller is $129. I don't know how much your four button foot pedal is.

Maybe I could get three to work with one Midi Solutions controller and then a dual footpedal along with my single footpedal.

Maybe I should just get another foot switch and work with two pedals awhile and see how that goes. I'd say top two for me would be Vocal Harmony and either Auto Fill-In or the Variations (Fills), A-B-C-D.

For the A-B-C-D, does it just advance from A to B and then to C or can you go back and forth between, say, A and C?
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#169919 - 05/02/05 11:52 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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I use the Ketron 13 pedal unit for sustain, stop-start, fast and slow leslie effects, intro and endings...for any function controlled by buttons.

Would have a hard time getting by without it, and, bestdes the great sounds, this is a major reason I'm a Ketron user.

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#169920 - 05/02/05 05:52 PM Re: Foot switch uses
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Scottyee:

Sorry this is off the topic but, what do you use to post those pictures here.

Thanks.

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#169921 - 05/02/05 06:28 PM Re: Foot switch uses
Scottyee Offline
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Peter: To add a graphic within your message, just encase the URL of the graphic image as shown in the following example:

[img ]http://www.prime-web.com/Ultimate20/tline.gif[/img ]

In the example above, the UBB Code automatically makes the graphic visible in your message. Note: the "http://" part of the URL is REQUIRED for the [img ] code. Also note: some UBB forums may disable the [img ] tag support to prevent objectionable images from being viewed.

note: I inserted a space between img & ] only to prevent the code from actually activating the picture image. You must NOT insert a space between them to make the UBB code actually work.

Scott



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#169922 - 05/02/05 07:05 PM Re: Foot switch uses
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Scott, if this shows CODE and not an image, then it worked.

Quote:
Code:
   [IMG ]http://www.prime-web.com/Ultimate20/tline.gif[ /IMG]   


If it worked, the CODE tag allows you to present code withOUT the code executing. Heehee, maybe I helped someone. I don't know if it works with UBB code, I think it works with HTML.

If it didn't work (if it shows the image instead of displaying the actual code), sorry. Maybe this software doesn't support that tag but I think it does.

[This message has been edited by SemiLiveMusic (edited 05-03-2005).]
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#169923 - 05/02/05 08:44 PM Re: Foot switch uses
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Bill,

It would have worked just fine if you had not put spaces inside the brackets. There can be no spaces.

Gary
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#169924 - 05/02/05 08:53 PM Re: Foot switch uses
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Sometimes the midi solutions controller is on Ebay for less.

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#169925 - 05/03/05 09:39 AM Re: Foot switch uses
chony Offline
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SCOTT,

I'm very interested in your footswitch setup.

I bought the MFC 10 as well, but for the past 10 months it just stands against my wall doing nothing.

What do you mean you "hardware configured" it to the Tyros? Also, where do you plug this contraption into the MIDI, or footswitch inputs? This would be a great solution for me, as the footswitches look fairly compact, and I would also be able to use a sustain and volume pedal.

Please give us the full details!

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#169926 - 05/03/05 10:31 AM Re: Foot switch uses
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Quote:
Originally posted by chony:

What do you mean you "hardware configured" it to the Tyros?


Chony: Yamaha doesn't make/sell a dedicated one piece 4 pedal footcontroler unit specifically made for their keyboards, but because I had one (Technote FC2):
http://www.technote.com/productdetails.asp?prodid=8845&returnto=/products.asp?catid=179

that I used with my Technics KN5000 kb, I hardware modified it to work with the Tyros/PSR keyboard. The FC2 had originally used a single 9 pin (?) DIN plug which plugged into the single DIN footpedal input socket on the KN5000. Because the Yamaha Tyros/PSR keyboards utilize separate 1/4" input sockets for each pedal, I drilled 4 separate holes on the back of the FC2 (to accomodate each of the four pedals outputs) and installed four 1/4" socket jacks, and then reroute the individual DIN cable wires separately to each of the 4 sockets. Now, I can connect (via 1/4" mono cable: male jacks at each end) from any of one (or all) of the 4 pedals on the FC2 to my Tyros' three included 1/4" footpedal inputs on the back of the keyboard. To utilize the 4th pedal with my Tyros, I use the Midi Solutions "Footpedal Controller" box, of which is programable via USB from my PC to trigger a range of arranger keyboard functions, which is outlined in the Yamaha keyboard's "Data List" manual. I programmed mine (sysEX command string) to turn vocalizer harmony on/off. Once the unit is programmed, simply connect a 1/4" mono cable (male/male) from the output jack of the footpedal to the FSW in on the "Footswitch Box", and then a short midi cable from the midi out of the "Midi Footswitch Box" into the midi in on the back of the keyboard. Because the "Midi Footswitch Box" is not self powered, if must receive its power from your keyboard, so to achieve this, a midi cable must also be plugged from the midi OUT of your Tyros/PSR keyboard to the IN of the "Midi Footswitch Box". Setup may sounds a little complicated but actually not at all, and takes not time at all (5 seconds more) for gig setup/breakdown, and no weight or hassle, or battery to go dead on you as the unit gains its power from the keyboard. This (to me) really is the ideal small lightweight/transportable Yamaha keyboard footpedal setup offering just the right amount of footpedal control needed. I only wish Yamaha would have offered this.

If you don't want to go thru the hassle I did of purchasing & then reconfiguring a Technote FC2 (i certainly would not have if I didn't already have the FC2 lying around, I recommend purchasing 3 or 4 individual Boss brand FS-5U pedals instead: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FS-5U/
They can attach to together to form a single unit, and each includes a 1/4" female socket on the back which allows you to connect each to the corresponding footpedal inputs on back of your Tyros/PSR the same way my hardware configured footpedal unit does. Presto, you're really to go.

Good luck.

Scott
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#169927 - 05/03/05 04:26 PM Re: Foot switch uses
chony Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scottyee:
I drilled 4 separate holes on the back of the FC2 (to accomodate each of the four pedals outputs) and installed four 1/4" socket jacks, and then reroute the individual DIN cable wires separately to each of the 4 sockets.


That's out of the Q as I don't know how to hold a drill.

How would the Boss solution help me? I would still only have a max of 3 footswitches available. Or did I miss something?

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#169928 - 05/03/05 05:06 PM Re: Foot switch uses
Scottyee Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by chony:
How would the Boss solution help me?

First of all, you won'tn need to learn how to hold a drill. The FS-5U interconnects (easily slides into subsequent units) allowing you to chain them together as one unit. You could theorically have as many connected together as you desire.


Quote:
Originally posted by chony:

I would still only have a max of 3 footswitches available. Or did I miss something?

Wrong, Chony, nou need to go back & re-read my posting reply again. Beyond the 3 Tyros built in 1/4" footswitch outputs, you can (theoretically) add 'as many' footswitch pedals + a 'midi footswitch controler box' indiviually programmed with a distinct midi activated arranger keyboard function, for each pedal, (connected via 1/4" cable) as you like. On the Tyros, foot pedal 4 could utilize midi IN A, and foot peal 5 could utilize midi IN B. Any more than this (5 foot pedals) would require a midi merge box so all midi signals would go to one midi IN cable.

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#169929 - 05/03/05 08:54 PM Re: Foot switch uses
chony Offline
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Quote:
go back & re-read my posting reply again.[/B]


Ok, I understood you this time!

Can you post the URL of such a MIDI merge machine? Thanks.

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