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#1639 - 06/21/02 05:45 AM Effects Processors
Rael Offline
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Registered: 06/10/02
Posts: 14
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
OK everyone, sorry to sound like an idiot, but I know pretty much nothing about effects processors. I mean, I know the basics of most of the common effects (delay, reverb, chorus, flange etc...) but my knowledge of how to do these in practice extends little beyond the realm of guitar stomp boxes. Can anyone recommend any decent all-round or specific effects units to be used predominately with synths? I am especially interested in delay, or any different/unusual effects.

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#1640 - 06/21/02 07:31 AM Re: Effects Processors
tekminus Offline
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Registered: 04/20/00
Posts: 1287
Some of the t.c. electronics boxes, like the Fireworx, have special fx and great usual stuff too. They're a bit pricey though. Lexicon is another big name. I would probably go for one of their budget processors, if I was buying something right now. Check out the MPX series.

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#1641 - 06/21/02 09:53 AM Re: Effects Processors
Leon Offline
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Registered: 04/14/99
Posts: 585
Loc: British Columbia
Digitech, Boss, Alesis. These have never given me any grief. There's a unit I tried once, but haven't been able to locate again, and it's called "Mr. Rack"....anyone??
You mentioned something to be used primarily with your synth. What synth are you using and are you unable to tweek the parameters within the synth, to give you delay or whatever??
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#1642 - 06/21/02 09:55 AM Re: Effects Processors
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By the way......No, you don't sound like an idiot.
Good Luck in your search....Leon
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#1643 - 06/22/02 04:53 AM Re: Effects Processors
Rael Offline
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Registered: 06/10/02
Posts: 14
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
thanks leon. at the moment, i'm pretty synth deficient also, all i have is a cheap dx7 i'm messing around with. I'm planning on getting one or two nice old analog synths (probably roland) and eventually a modern synth, perhaps a virus or novation, but i'm not really too sure. what kind of prices are we talking about with your suggesions?

thanks
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#1644 - 06/22/02 02:30 PM Re: Effects Processors
freddynl Offline
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Registered: 11/17/99
Posts: 1150
Loc: netherlands
Good effect processors are expensive.
As you mention you like to have another synth, You might think of a Kurzweil K 2600S.
The built in KDFX can be used as an effectprocessor for external gear (as long as the sample option is installed as this option comes with the inputs needed.)
This way you have more effects as ever dreamed off..
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#1645 - 06/22/02 05:07 PM Re: Effects Processors
kaboombahchuck Offline
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Registered: 07/19/01
Posts: 275
Loc: Arizona USA
The Alesis nanoverb runs less than $100 US. It don't have alot of synth effectts, but enought to make it woth while. I also use a Behringer V-amp II ($125 US) to make all kinds of wierd sounds.
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#1646 - 06/22/02 11:18 PM Re: Effects Processors
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Registered: 03/20/01
Posts: 847
Loc: Nashvville TN
I can vouch for the Boss VF-1. Musicians friend sells them for $299, EBay is cheaper. Here you get everything. The reverbs aren't as smooth as the Lexicons, but they aren't bad either. Plus you get echos, chorus, flange, phase, tremello, rotary, ring modulator, lofi filters, AM radio or turntable effects, guitar and keyboard amp simulations, stompboxes, compressor/limiter, EQ, mic simulation, vocoder, and other useful and weird stuff I'm forgetting. The compressor can get a bit noisy, but learning how to use it and the noise gates can really diminish the problem. You cannot find a better all around unit in my opinion. Good for keys, guitars, vocals, whatever. For superb quality effects I'd probably go Lexicon, but for very good effects, and loads of them (while on a budget) the Boss VF-1 definitely gets my vote.

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#1647 - 06/23/02 12:41 AM Re: Effects Processors
tekminus Offline
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Registered: 04/20/00
Posts: 1287
Believe me, after a while you just crave for a really good reverb sound. This applies to everyone. The novelty of weird fx wears out and you sit there and wish that reverb tail didn't stick out like..eh a cheap reverb.

-tek

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#1648 - 06/23/02 06:19 PM Re: Effects Processors
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
That's very true, and the best advice I've seen from tek !
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#1649 - 06/24/02 03:08 AM Re: Effects Processors
bitdump3 Offline
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Registered: 04/29/02
Posts: 58
Loc: Fano, Italy
It all depends on the sound you want and like. Best thing is to stick with your ears and your head for making things sound interesting than the specs of various diffrent boxes. Using your head, decent ability and knowing the strengths and weakness of your gear and exploiting them.

Stomp boxes are just as valid as a Effect processor and sometimes are a better tool for the job. I use a combination of vintage analog FX's like the tape echoplex, high end digital gear like the KSP8, and an assortment of stomp boxes ranging from the Electro harmonics to no name junkers. All have diffrent sound and work wonderfully together or individually. Best judge of the quality of an FX is if it sounds good to your ears.

Just try as many diffrent things as you can with your DX7 and buy the ones you think sound good to you and have fun, no matter what the spec, how old or new, cheap or expensive. If you like it and can afford it get it and have fun and always experiment to find new sounds with that gear. When you get something new try diffrent combinations of that with your older gear. There is no rule to any of this.
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#1650 - 06/28/02 03:00 PM Re: Effects Processors
meriphew Offline
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Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 8
Loc: Seattle, WA, USA
Try the TC boxes or the Boss VF1.

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#1651 - 07/15/02 04:58 AM Re: Effects Processors
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Once you hear a good reverb sound, you wont want to waste your money on noise boxes. The TC boxes are not quite as noisy as the others. I think it is mostly due to their higher threshold abilities. They do also however, raise the noise floor substancially. I personally find Lexicon to have the best for the buck, and Digitech gear to be the noisiest. Their rack gear is noisier than some floor pedals even. In fact I am forced to charge more for mastering when some Digitech gear is used because I have to go through two more stages of processing to lower the noise floor from the 20 dB that it raises it. Yup, 20dB rise in floor noise. Now does that suck or what!? Its not originated from the power supply either. Some people say, "I don't hear no noise"...what can I say?....buy it then. Hopefully I won't be summoned to process the work.
Don't shop for and trial equipment in a noisey guitar shop. Do it in a quiet area where you can hear all of the thing.
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#1652 - 07/15/02 05:15 AM Re: Effects Processors
bitdump3 Offline
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Registered: 04/29/02
Posts: 58
Loc: Fano, Italy
As far as I can see the best bang for the buck is accually the Kurzweil KSP8. It has the best small room I've heard. Also gives you tons of other FXs. You get a swiss army knife of bus options. You can do mono stereo or 5.1. The coverters are great and the thing is very quite. Distortions are certainly digital though. There are some things only it can do. Can be a mono synth if you like as well.
If you need a box to cover a lot of groud you will not find better on the market right now in my humble opinion. It is very very programable and also has a kurzweil learning curve though not as bad as the K series. I am very happy with mine.
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