Gary, are they displaying the 'edited' voice name or are they displaying the Preset 'name'?

Also, is it REALLY true that the PSR 3000 is able to load a User Registration on start up? Automatically?

Again, if these features are on the PSR 3000, they would make wonderful candidates for a Tyros OS update.

Steve Deming seems to be very negative in his reaction about Yamaha not wanting to address these things. I guess he is hoping by saying it that Tyros owners will give up on their desire to have these features included in the Tyros - ever.

But if you remember, Steve said the same thing about the 'Repeat to Self' feature using a commmon foot controller. He essentially said that it was a design decision by Yamaha to NOT include it in the Tyros. Yet with our Synth Zone and other Tyros owners fervently and persistently beseeching Yamaha to give the Tyros that feature, Yamaha had a change of heart and gave it to us with an OS update.

Can we Tyros owners not have the same persistent fervency over two included features on a much less expensive Yamaha Arranger? Yes, I think we can if indeed these features are really on the PSR 3000 and not a figment of Gary's imagination (or poor eyesight )...... Gary, I thought you quit guzzling that kick a poo juice..

Tell us straight up Gar... Are the 'edited' voices being displayed, i.e. the 'edited name'. That is what we're looking for.. the "EDITED" 'name', NOT the 'preset' name of an edited voice. Is the EDITED name of a preset voice displayed when an edited Voice is called up using a Registration on the PSR 3000.

And the other question being: Can a User Registration be 'automatically' loaded on Start Up with the PSR 3000? Yes or No... No maybe's allowed.

Best regards,
Mike



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Hope this clears things up a bit,

Gary

Hi Gar, are you sure about that?!

As Steve Deming gave his 'edited' voices, names which are 'CLOSELY SIMILAR' to the original 'preset' voice names, I suspect that the name of the 'edited' voice you are calling up is actually the originally named preset voice, and not the name Steve named it. Please re-verify this whenever you get a chance and report back your findings.

Try saving Steve's edited voice: "Wave 2003" to your PSR3000 USER memory, and then save & call it up in Registration or OTS. What is the corresponding Voice NAME displayed on the LCD Screen's Main page? Though the 'edited voice' will be heard, according to Steve Deming & other PSR3000 owners as well, it will display the original preset voice name: "Wave 2001", and NOT "Wave 2003", which would have made a lot more sense (to me). - Scott

Scott,

That voice was not among those listed at http://www.arrangerworkstation.com/store/ in the free voices box.

I have checked my keyboard for duplicate voices of those that I have downloaded and there are none. For example, one of them is called wee vox, it does not exist in the data list and the only place it is in my keyboad is the user file, which is where I pasted the 10 voices. They all show up with the names posted on the site--and none are on the data list or anywhere else in the keyboard. When I link them as previously posted, they show up with the exact same names I downloaded.

If you have the previous list, send them to me and I'll try them as well. Maybe there is something different about them.

Gary

Gary

Gary,
Select WeeVox for Right1.
Create a registration
Exit out to the Main display
For Right1, it will not say WeeVox. It sounds like WeeVox, because it is WeeVox, it just doesn't say WeeVox.

BTW, for all you Tyros users out there, these voices are not optimized for Tyros. They will load just fine, but the user effects will not work in many cases. I'm working on the Tyros set now. There will be over 300 new voices when I'm finished. I'm sure they will publish them at AW.com as well.

Concerning future OSs for Tyros, I have no part in the decision of bug fixes and new features. I am merely a vehicle, by which communication can happen between you and Yamaha. I make suggestions and pass along comments. Sometimes I answer questions. I observe and relay to you what I believe, based on what I've heard and on past history. I hope you get everything you wish for, it costs me nothing to hope. But it would be foolish and unfair for me to lead you to believe that you might see something, if I'm doubting it.

Tom, I'm not sure I get what you mean about "holding the bag". Didn't Yamaha sell you a very powerful tool, that's a real joy to use? Isn't it more powerful now, than when it first came out? Didn't you get what you paid for? Look in "the bag"... I hope see a tool that's continuing to meet the needs for which you purchased it. If not, an update is unlikely to change that.

Yamaha will continue to provide updates when they feel it's in the best interest of Yamaha and its customers.

BTW, I sent them 250 new 1500/3000 voices. If you request something in particular, you might find that they'll put up your requests in the next batch.

Steve

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Steve,

You are right about some of the voices reverting back to their orriginal name, but the ones that do not are apparently the ones that were not voices that were in the board to begin with. The Harp Vox, for example, is not in the 3000, and that name shows up as posted. Wee Vox and some of the other reverted back to their orriginal names, but with the edited sounds. Weird!

Gary

Hi Steve

I love my Tyros, but I was under the impression there would be OS updates issued to add new features and correct problems. Since I bought it, there has been one OS update. During the past year, I participated in at least two lists that were forwarded to Yamaha. These were comments, suggestions and wishes from the Tyros owners for future improvements. I don't think most of them were realized. What good is the upgradeable OS if there are not going to be any more upgrades issued?

Tom G.

Tom, I believe Yamaha's principal intention of a Flash-able OS is that provides 'them' a cheaper cost effective solution (than having to cover the cost of customers sending their keyboards back to the company for product recall) to fix software bugs of the keyboard's advertised and 'listed in the owners manual' features. Anything beyond this such as incorporating improvements & brand 'new' features, though certainly appreciated, is not expected by me.

In Yamaha's defense, I'm thankful that they 'finally, after many months of repeated hounding to them about it, came thru and FIXED the 2 major problems that I had so adamantly complained about: 1) the absently missing 'Footpedal activated repeating fill to self' feature and 2) flakey Tyros USB Port connectivity.

Tom, I too would certainly appreciate Yamaha upgrading the OS (yet again) to enable display of the actual'edited' voice names rather than just the original preset name but I'm relunctantly willing to put up with 'this' inconvenience, whereas the other problems directly compromised the actual playing of the keyboard. I suppose, as Steve said, it's up to Yamaha Japan at this point. It certainly would be a nice Yamaha Christmas surprise to have a Tyros OS update which addresses this though. - Scott

Gar, I sent you (yesterday) the collection of Steve Deming Voices which include the edited Tyros voices I mentioned. Did you receive them? If so, please test them on your keyboard & report your results. - Scott

Scott,

Yes, I received them all, installed them and as you said, they revert to the orriginal names, even when saved in registrations.

Now I must appologize to everyone for being really dumb, which at my age is becomming more prevalent. It appears that all of the voices, including those I recently downloaded from the site, are in the keyboard. Some, however, were not on the standard data list, but in other locations that did not trigger a voice light. After an hour of frustrating searches through the data manual, I went back to the keyboard and methodically tracked the orrigin of each voice. Some were hidden in the XG, Synth&FX and other folders that are imbedded within the cobwebs of the 3000's memory and not easy to find.

Like I said, I'm confident one of the computer ghuru's can come up with a method of renaming the voices so the only the renamed voice will be visible.

Sorry guys and gals--I really let you down on this one. My sincerest appologies.

Gary