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#153368 - 09/08/04 09:40 AM Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
kbrkr Offline
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Is anyone else having problems with the DIRECT and EXIT buttons on the LCD screen as well as some other buttons on the Tyros becoming more and more non-reactive?

I have to press these buttons harder and harder now to get them to respond. This concerns me since I'm pressing these buttons on a very delicate LCD display.

Anyone else experience this?

Al
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#153369 - 09/08/04 09:55 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
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This is happening to my i30 but it is 3 years old and I play it almost every day with a few days off here and there.

They want them to break so you'll keep buying new ones. It's great for the stores the manufactures and the economy but it sucks for the consumer. Go figure!

There's many complaints about the Fostex MR8 digital recorder in this respect also.
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#153370 - 09/08/04 10:44 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
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In the middle of one of our road gigs this past summer, the assign button for my combination patch busted, and dropped down inside. Fortunately, I was able (when I needed to) to turn the unit off and back on, and the kb defaults to combination mode so I was still able to scroll through the patches in combo mode to find what I needed, but it did delay me a bit while having to do this. It's in for repairs right as we speak.
btw...pressing harder will eventually give you grief. Contact cleaner worked for me. Made a big difference, but that's just my unit. Might not be feasible for you.
Just my thots...

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#153371 - 09/08/04 11:08 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
Roel Offline
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Shboom,
Al is writing about the touch-screen 'buttons'.... no ordinary buttons.

I guess at the end a display(screen) replacement will be needed ??

Several times I played the PA1Xpro, but can't get used to the touch-screen. e.g. it is weird key-activation starts after 'releasing' the button.
Often wrong functions start, because of the tiny squares available for the buttons.

Do NEVER use contact cleaner in touch-screens !!

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#153372 - 09/08/04 11:08 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
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This has happened to me with two PSR2000s and two PSR2100s that I owned. Maybe I pressed the buttons harder than some other people, or I am unlucky. In any case, get this fixed because any day now, the buttons won't work at all.

The first time, I brought the keyboard to an authorized service center. It was far away, I was without my keyboard for over a week, and I had to pay $25 extra for a rush fee.

I recommend you should do something akin to what I did: I know a high school aged young man who is brilliant with electronics. He bought the highest quality contact switches and soldered them on. I never had the problem again with that button. He charged me $10 an hour, and for $20 I got my keyboard fixed in days.

It is a rudimentary problem to fix for someone who works fixing electronics. You might want to reconsider the authorized service center - especially if the keyboard is out of warranty.

Beakybird

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#153373 - 09/08/04 11:59 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
Uncle Dave Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by kbrkr:
the DIRECT and EXIT buttons on the LCD screen on the Tyros


Ummm, what am I missing here - the Tyros doesn't have a touch screen, does it?
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#153374 - 09/08/04 12:10 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
shboom Offline
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Quote:
Shboom,
Al is writing about the touch-screen 'buttons'.... no ordinary buttons.

Ooooops!!
Dopey meeeeee...
Yes..Obviously...no contact cleaner on a touch screen. Personally I can't handle the touch screens...fingers are too big.

[This message has been edited by shboom (edited 09-08-2004).]
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#153375 - 09/08/04 01:45 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
tony mads usa Offline
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Oh no !!! ... cheesey keys AND cheesey buttons?!?!? .
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#153376 - 09/08/04 02:25 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
Roel Offline
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UD,
You are right, it obviously is no touch-screen ..... ha !

Anyway, I never use contact-cleaner in micro-switches or carbon-switches.
The best thing you can do is replacing the switches or full motherboard.

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#153377 - 09/08/04 03:56 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
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Loc: Tampa, FL
Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
Ummm, what am I missing here - the Tyros doesn't have a touch screen, does it?


Boys, boys, boys....Now I know we are senior members, but let's not get senior moments.

The Tyros screen is NOT touch screen nor am I referring to any touch screen thingies.

On the Tyros LCD there are a total of 14 tactile buttons -- not virtual buttons. (please take a look at a picture of the Tyros) These buttons are slowly becoming more and more un-responsive to touch.

I have already had the Tyros in for repair to replace the Direct Access button which was not working. This was performed under warranty.

So, Has anyone actually tried spraying these keys with contact cleaner?

Al
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#153378 - 09/08/04 05:13 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
royandreno Offline
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Registered: 03/15/02
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Loc: Sandnes, Norway
Tyros is a great keyboard in many aspects.
However, in build quality it's a piece of junk.


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#153379 - 09/08/04 09:19 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
Beakybird Offline
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The friend of mine who worked on my PSR2000/2100 keyboards had to replace the contacts. It's from the part wearing out. It's a good sign - that you're having a lot of fun with your keyboard. Of course, contact cleaner - can't hurt trying.

My advice: Get it repaired before you embarrass yourself at a gig. I did a gig where I couldn't use Style Variation D during the second half of the show.

Good luck!

Beakybird

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#153380 - 09/08/04 09:56 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
Uncle Dave Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by kbrkr:
buttons on the LCD screen


See Al,
That's where the confusion started! There are NO buttons ON the LCD screen!!!!
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#153381 - 09/08/04 10:05 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
shboom Offline
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Registered: 02/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Victoria, British Columbia
Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
There are NO buttons ON the LCD screen!!!!

So....that's why my LCD keeps falling down.....No buttons!!
I'll go back to suspenders.



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#153382 - 09/08/04 10:33 PM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
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Loc: CA
I have used a contact cleaner on some of the buttons on my Tyros but I've never used it on the Direct Access or Exit buttons Al.

There are contact cleaners and then there are 'Contact Cleaners'. The one I use is called "Blow Off" and it is among the best in my opinion. I had problems with the Saxaphone Panel button where I had to press harder to get it to engage. After using the "Blow Off" it works much better. Same goes with a couple other buttons that were 'sticking' a bit. It really works wonders and I highly recommend it. It is non-conductive, dries very fast, and it leaves no residue or odor.

What I think happens sometimes is dust gets in the crevices of the buttons and after a prolonged period of build up of dust the button[s] become somewhat un-responsive and it requires more pressure to make the proper contact because of the dust, etc. Blow Off gets rid of the dust, etc., and does a wonderful job of cleaning the electronics and contact points, etc.

Here is the link to "Blow Off" Al:

Blow Off web site

Here is the direct link to Blow Off

Best regards,
Mike
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#153383 - 09/09/04 02:24 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2866
Loc: Tampa, FL
Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
See Al,
That's where the confusion started! There are NO buttons ON the LCD screen!!!!


Now Dave, instead of Uncle we are gonna start calling you "Mr. Literal".

Thanks for your help, NOT!




[This message has been edited by kbrkr (edited 09-09-2004).]
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#153384 - 09/09/04 02:28 AM Re: Tyros Buttons starting to get 'non-reactive'
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2866
Loc: Tampa, FL
Quote:
Originally posted by keybplayer:
I have used a contact cleaner on some of the buttons on my Tyros but I've never used it on the Direct Access or Exit buttons Al.

There are contact cleaners and then there are 'Contact Cleaners'. The one I use is called "Blow Off" and it is among the best in my opinion.


Mike,

Thanks for your help. I hadn't thought about using Air to clean my contacts. I think I'm going to try that before using contact cleaner. I have found in the past contact cleaner is only a short term solution, but the contact problems return sometimes worse.

Al
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